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Double gutter at /5 Double gutter at /5

08-23-2019 , 04:09 AM
This is from a hand at $2/5. I just sat down so no real reads on any players.

3 limps in front of me and I call OTB with K9hh ($500 effective). SB and BB complete.

Flop ($30): 7cTsJh

Checks to younger guy in MP who bets $15.

Hero? I have a double gutter and backdoor flush draw, so should this be a raise?

I just call. UTG villain calls as well.

Turn ($60): 2d

Checks to me, should I be bluffing here?

I check it back.

River ($60): Qd

UTG Villain leads out for $60 and other V quickly folds.

Hero?

I raise to $200 and Villain shoves over the top. Do we ever let this one go? Villain is an older Asian gentleman.
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08-23-2019 , 05:51 AM
Raise pf. You lose a lot of the potential power of the button by calling into a what is likely to be a 6 way pot.

I'm going to guess that the villain showed you AK, which is why on the flop and turn you keep asking if you should have raised. As played, you need to be good about 27% of the time. I think with those odds you have to call it off. If you have to have the absolute nuts to call a 3bet on the river, you shouldn't have raised.
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08-23-2019 , 07:21 AM
H raise on the river is 100% standard. If I got shoved on I would probably throw up and call and expect to see another K9 or slow played 89. I don't mind a BTN call here pre, I like suited aces or higher cards to raise limpers with but to each their own.

I mean, if I had a specific read that UTG likes to limp AK you could maybe get away from it but having the 2nd nuts where the absolute nuts shouldnt be possible to have is not a recipe for folding to a jam. At low stakes the guy may not even realize that a K9 is even possible and he was slow playing the flopped nuts the entire way.

Gross spot. Id pay it off.
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08-23-2019 , 08:55 AM
Definitely want to iso pre. As played, flop and turn are ok. There can be arguments made for raising the flop/betting the turn. But in my opinion, it only makes sense if you raised preflop, but after limping in I'm not sure people would assume your range is really hitting this board too hard. Also wouldn't be a fan of bloating the pot with a double gutter. For the reasons AAJTo mentioned, this river should probably be a call.
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08-23-2019 , 09:20 AM
River is gross vs. an older Asian man. Seriously, sorry for stereotyping, they are usually pretty tight, even if it was just an older man -- and they love to limp AK. And they don't shove w/o the nuts.

I would have raised pre (and folded to UTG's 3bet) and I would have raised the flop bet.

As played, not sure what to do on the river. I guess he could be an exception and have equal or worse. Soul-read?
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08-23-2019 , 04:23 PM
The older asian males where I live play absolutely batsht insane.

One of em called my UTG 7x raise with 43s last night and flopped trips on me. He looked about 70 and when I asked him if 43 was his favorite hand he replied "no gambol no future!"
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08-23-2019 , 04:59 PM
The way I see it is if he's weak/tight enough to limp AK pre, is he going to call 15 otf with two overs and an inside straight draw? The players who limp AK are usually fit or fold players, but I don't see enough information about him to fold the second nuts.

He may have even slow played 89s and got caught up in entitlement to win the hand without thinking about OP's range.

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Originally Posted by Seikoo
Also wouldn't be a fan of bloating the pot with a double gutter.
If I raised, it would be to fold him out rather than bloating the pot but I wouldn't usually do it in a multiway limped pot unless I was confident I had enough FE.
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