Effective stack is $800, $2/$5.

I'm actually not involved in this hand but it's an interesting spot considering a donk flukes his way into using a very good line of play.

Hand:

The pot is limped straddle 5 way, donk in UTG+1. He is very loose, and probably plays 50% of his hands. He is tilting but the other person involved knows none of this as the villain is new to the table. He originally played ridiculously tight/passive, but I bluffed him out of a few pots and now he is opening up.

Flop is K K 4, 2 hearts. Donk has K3 offsuit.

It is checked to UTG + 3 (villain), who leads for $45. I wasn't involved in the hand, but I read this as extremely strong. He was standard ABC, tight preflop. His range is nut flush draw, KT+, 44. Donk check raises to $150. He is really passive postflop, but has been seen to spazz. Folded to villain, who flats the raise (his range is clearly now KT+, 44).

Turn 9h. ($250)

Donk snap shoves for $550.

Donk is obviously a recreational player, so he just spazzed when he saw a heart come on the turn. He just panicked, didn't know what to do, so he just overshoved his money in.

I think however for a more sophisticated player, this is actually quite a brilliant play. When your read is villain can't possibly have the flush, K3 is now garbage, and he correctly decides to turn his hand into a bluff. This overshove probably takes down the pot against any non-boat. Unfortunately for the donk, the villain had 44 and pretty much had to call.

Either way, I thought this hand was interesting to see how some people can mistakenly get to a great line of play.

don't think its that brilliant...overshuving repping a flush on a paired board isn't something a good player would do expecting to get called by a lone K.

Disagree.

This is a terrible line by donk and is a complete donk play. Donk can never have a flush here and the other guy can have a flush a ton, and if I'm the other guy, I'm snapping with KT+.

I agree that the donk never has a flush here. All I'm saying is that in a situation where a flush is in your range, and the villain clearly cannot (this particular villain really cannot), it's actually a good spot to turn your hand into a bluff with a worse king once you 'know' your king is no good.

Considering the other guy is never going to fold trips here. No it's not.

However, turning your made hand into a bluff is a good play. However the way this donk thought was:

I have trips. I check
Someone bets. I raise
I got called, omg.
Flush comes on turn.
I shove so he doesn't draw out on me.

Definitely agree that was the donk's thinking. I'm more saying when it's thinking player against thinking player it's an interesting play. If villain is bad and never folds trips then it's obvious we give up. And yes against a thinking player I can be drawing to a flush when I know he has little to no boats in his range.

Pretty terrible line I dontnthink donk has it in him to c/r flush draw

umm yeah as stated in previous posts, donk was clearly trapping w/the nuts, and once the 9h gave him a royal flush, he overshoved for value.

Most certainly he isn't conciuosly turning a second best made hand into a bluff.
If he is truly a donk, by definition, he is not capable of such plays.
Donks have no respect for the board to some degree, so is most likely making a "process of elimination" shove; ie. "I don't know what else to do, and I'm out of my element, so I geuss I'll just shove".
Donks don't exactly hand read, so doubt he's using the heart as a scare card. He prob doesn't care what the other guy has.

Still, interesting hand. Maybe not the best spot to turn a made hand into a bluff, really. Bluffing is just so bad at low stakes in general, I think it's better to do in small pots when you put your opponent on a marginal hand that he's value betting thin into you with, then checkraise the river with your marginal hand that is kind of a coin flip vs his hand. Kind of like bluffing someone off a chop.
You get additional value too, because you send them a message, "
hey, don't value bet thin against me"

shoving double the pot on a paired board with 3 suited cards out of position against an opponent who showed aggression on the flop is clearly a brilliant line.

Nothing brilliant about this play...

Donk was think "I have 3 kings I can't lose!!!"

I like the guy who three betted me on the KK5 flop after I called his raise preflop and I raised the flop. "I didn't think you had the king" "You're right I didn't"

I find it funny that people in this thread think that certain betting lines, in this case simply a bet, check raise, and a call, mean that in live poker, someone CAN'T have a flush.

In general overbet bluffs like this should only be made after solid reads have been accumulated, and as part of a balanced strategy. In a vacuum,it is hard to call this a good play even if it was intentional.

what kind of ****** villain would raise the 150 c/r with a FD, villain can easily have a flush here

he can easily have a boat

he can easily have a better king with a redraw or just a better king and station it off..........

is this a level

he has king ****ing three

he folds out maybe 10% of the range that beats him here, this is horrible

KJ+, K9, 44, any flush probably call and depending how stationy the other guy is any K at all could potentially call so he folds out like less than 10 hands that beat k3

aside from that he needs to get a fold like more than 1/2 times for this to be profitable, its like breakeven at best and other guys range is more weighted to hands that will call the shove

considering nits range is basically just strong kings and FH,s and maybe a couple nut flushes that didn't fold the flop, this is a pretty uninspired bluff.