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Does this strategy apply? Does this strategy apply?

11-07-2013 , 06:14 PM
Recently there have been huge restrictions to online gaming cash outs where I live, so I have decided to temporarily move to live cash games until the online issues resolve completely (I don't want to grind online just to have thousands stuck on pokerstars without being able to cash them out in any form other than buying in to pokerstars live tournaments).

My town has a casino about 30-40 minutes away from my home (driving) which has 12 cash game tables where you can play NL100, NL200 or NL500 (i converted the blinds to USD, the limits seem low because 1 USD is $10 in my currency)

I really have been playing only recreationally online, started with a $2 bankroll and made it to $300 after about a month of NL2 and NL5 with astronomical winrates (30bb/100 on NL2 and like 25bb/100 on NL5) following Blackrain79's "Crushing the Microstakes" guidelines. Of course this is against fish players, and I was wondering if the same stategy should work on a live NL100 game or if I have to adjust my game (I don't know what level of play to expect)

Also, I was wondering if I should buy in for $100 or the allowed maximum ($200), I don't really have a specific bankroll number, I have about 6-7k in savings that I don't really need for anything since I'm 18 and live with my parents.

Anyways, I guess the questions are, should I adjust my game? Which strategy should I apply if that's the case? How much should I buy in for?

Thanks a lot.

Last edited by FourPlusFive; 11-07-2013 at 06:22 PM.
11-07-2013 , 06:41 PM
What's the strategy you are talking about. It might still apply to live.
11-07-2013 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
What's the strategy you are talking about. It might still apply to live.
Basically playing a strict TAG game, opening with very few hands EP (77+, AQ+), a bit more on MP (add KQ, AJ, 55, 66) and quite loose on CO and BTN (suited connectors, some suited one gappers, broadways, any pair, any ace, etc).

Cbetting about 75% of the time (higher cbets when you hit the flop), but giving up on turn (no double barrelling), and trying to extract the most from monster hands (no slowplay, just bet every street with two pair on a dry board or any set and above hands).
11-07-2013 , 06:58 PM
So I just did a quick search on the guy in question strategy. It will have some difficulties playing certain aspects of the style. For the most part it sounds good from a technical standpoint.

Triple barrel bluffing; this will become a dinosaur in live games. You don't have aggression frequency stats nor fold to cbet river %. Stick to just doubling and playing rivers straight up. Maybe a few bluffs after weak leads but that's it.

Playing full out lag is a no go. You will have to switch back and forth in session.

Button play and not 3betting will be key. I like his take on it. For the most part when people raise they will have good hands. Only 3bet very strong hands 10% is just too much.

Good luck, make sure you play tight and build your r before you go all out tag or lag.

Peace.
11-07-2013 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FourPlusFive
Basically playing a strict TAG game, opening with very few hands EP (77+, AQ+), a bit more on MP (add KQ, AJ, 55, 66) and quite loose on CO and BTN (suited connectors, some suited one gappers, broadways, any pair, any ace, etc).

Cbetting about 75% of the time (higher cbets when you hit the flop), but giving up on turn (no double barrelling), and trying to extract the most from monster hands (no slowplay, just bet every street with two pair on a dry board or any set and above hands).
This wasn't the strategy I read. He was advocating 20%. Which is fairly loose aggressive live. Tight players are no way near 20% live.

As for the hand ranges seems fine. Co/But are too loose though. I wouldn't have all suited connectors and suited gappers. People limp AJ/A10 and Axs. I wouldn't just raise limpers with any ace. More like A8+ and maybe any ace open raise otb. But that's not going to happen live. Most of the players limp. So otb/co learn how to play some limped pots especially when you the table going crazy or broke in limped pots.

Slow playing is not the smartest thing unless you flopped a monster. Flushes fullhouses etc...
11-07-2013 , 07:09 PM
Well I think a comfortable buy in is always 100bb at what ever limit you can afford. Just a general rule of thumb. Also you will have to Taylor your raise sizing preflop as online 3x bb is standard where lie typically that raise gets ZERO respect. A lot of times the standard opening size is often 6x-7.5x the bb. Which means your c bets will be larger than you are used too. Over all you will just have to make observations The table As every hand you play is that much more important. You won't be seeing any were near the amount of hands you see multi tabling online.

As for your strategy that is a decent start but there are often several different dynamics such as reads and tells etc. Also keeping track of your own pot size etc. lots of differences which mostly require patients. It can be groolin waiting 4 hrs for a big pocket pair only to end up getting sucked out on. Just try out at the lowest limit possible and get a feel for how people play, who bluffs who doesn't etc. Just playing TAG and paying attention can be very profitable at the right table.

Also very important, if you are playing with bad/fishy players do not insult them. In fact you should go out of your way to be nice to them as they will be your main source of income. I have fan into some terrible players and that is how I started out my bank roll around your age.
11-07-2013 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
This wasn't the strategy I read. He was advocating 20%. Which is fairly loose aggressive live. Tight players are no way near 20% live.

As for the hand ranges seems fine. Co/But are too loose though. I wouldn't have all suited connectors and suited gappers. People limp AJ/A10 and Axs. I wouldn't just raise limpers with any ace. More like A8+ and maybe any ace open raise otb. But that's not going to happen live. Most of the players limp. So otb/co learn how to play some limped pots especially when you the table going crazy or broke in limped pots.

Slow playing is not the smartest thing unless you flopped a monster. Flushes fullhouses etc...
Maybe you read his strategy for 6-max, 20% in full ring is something he wouldn't ever advise IMO, full ring would be closer to 14% vpip 11% pfr aprox according to him.

I am aware that on limped pots i should tighten my range a little bit on BTN and CO, but how much is a little bit?

Thanks.
11-07-2013 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed
Well I think a comfortable buy in is always 100bb at what ever limit you can afford. Just a general rule of thumb. Also you will have to Taylor your raise sizing preflop as online 3x bb is standard where lie typically that raise gets ZERO respect. A lot of times the standard opening size is often 6x-7.5x the bb. Which means your c bets will be larger than you are used too. Over all you will just have to make observations The table As every hand you play is that much more important. You won't be seeing any were near the amount of hands you see multi tabling online.

As for your strategy that is a decent start but there are often several different dynamics such as reads and tells etc. Also keeping track of your own pot size etc. lots of differences which mostly require patients. It can be groolin waiting 4 hrs for a big pocket pair only to end up getting sucked out on. Just try out at the lowest limit possible and get a feel for how people play, who bluffs who doesn't etc. Just playing TAG and paying attention can be very profitable at the right table.

Also very important, if you are playing with bad/fishy players do not insult them. In fact you should go out of your way to be nice to them as they will be your main source of income. I have fan into some terrible players and that is how I started out my bank roll around your age.
I heard about the increase on bet sizings, but is this due to limping (im used to raising 3xbb + 1bb per limper) or is it just because it works that way?

If the standard preflop raise is like 7bb, isn't a 100bb stack too weak? You would get crippled after just a couple failed cbets. Should i follow the "trend" (open to about the same as other people) or should i stick to my online sizing?
11-07-2013 , 07:19 PM
I made it easy for myself because its really hard to gauge when to raise limpers light. So I use suited hands to raise light. Like 86s+,A8+,A8s+ and A5s, 77+, K9s+, 98s+,Q10s+. But hand charts are not concrete. They will never be live. Since you don't get enough hands live. Sometime you have to adjust and raise KJo since you are getting it everyhand.

Work on exploiting your opponents leaks. So fit or fold players attack their limps. If they're loose passive tighten up and value bet them.

Strategy depends on your tables weakness and what your are willing to push to exploit them.
11-07-2013 , 10:26 PM
Sorry, no how do I beat such and such in LLSNL. There are enough guides and strategies out there.
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