Hello - I recently played a 1-2 NL cash game at Oak's card club, in Oakland California. Most lucrative place i have ever played. It seems like Bay area folks love drinking and spewing some money at the poker table. Anyways, around the end of the night, i got involved in an hand that I need your opinion on.

I was MP with 600$. EP raised 9$ and 4 players (including me with 6-7 off) along with V (Dealer button) came along into the pot. Table is extremely loose with people calling with any 2 cards and doing random ****. I know the standard line is I should fold pre, but with the table this loose and rich, and i being so deep stacked, i am not gonna fold pre for 9$.

Pot: ~$35
Flop is 7-8-3 (2 spades, 1 heart).
I bet 20$ from MP and V and EP calls.

Pot:~$95
Turn is 9 of hearts, making it 2 flush draws on board.
I bet 25$, V raises to 75, EP folds.

While he can have 2 pair type hands 7-8, 8-9, 7-9 or sets, or maybe even straights like 5-6 or 10-J, he can also have a lot of flush or straight draws. He is the only guy at the table, that had me covered. He isn't loose or spewy, but looks like a reg. Point being, he seems perfectly capable of bluffing at this point.

I call extra $50,

Pot: ~$ 245
River is K of club.
No flush draws, No straight draws that weren't there got there. I check, V bets 150$.

He may have made an hand on the river with a random king but other than that this may not have helped him at all. Also, a bet this big looks fishy too. I am also blocking a 5-6 straight draw and some 7's. So, I'm thinking that I should call.

Thoughts?

As a general rule, don’t get a ton of money in the pot with 76o and you’ll go far in life.

Every street is just too optimistic here.

It is always dependent on game dynamics. If people are blowing off big money with J-high regularly, good call. I'm not lucky enough to play in such games.

Welcome to the forum, OP. Please don't include results as they bias responses. I edited them out and formatted your wall of text.

Pre is iffy, even this deep, especially if you're not nut mining, as the rest of your hand shows that you're not.

Flop is optimistic, as many Vs should have hit that board.

Turn bet is atrocious. It's a bad card for you to bet anyway, but if you are going to bet, make it a real sizing. $25 into $95 is just silly. You are offering all of the draws direct odds plus announcing that you have a weak made hand. I'm not surprised V raised there. I would have raised with my entire range. Your call is OK with the SD to go along with your weak pair and his range being very wide.

River should be a fold. Yes, he could be barreling a FD that called flop and raised your weak turn bet, but most of his range beats you. Even busted FDs often have 9s or Ks in them. And his bet is not suspiciously large. It's between 1/2 and 2/3 pot, pretty standard sizing for value.

I ain't so lucky too. I live in Florida and play at a club where there's mostly OMCs mostly betting only with Aces or Kings. It's just sad. I would love to move to SF in an heart beat just to play in these ultra lucrative games if my wife agreed.

Thank you Garick for the comments and for the editing. It's much more legible now and I'll make sure to post it like this going forward.

I agree on your turn comment. I should bet large or just check. The reason I didn't check was I didn't wanna give V the momentum to put me in a tough spot, which he consequently still did with his raise. But yes, I should bet larger to hide my insufficient hand.

Folding river bet, I kind of disagree. Yes, your comment is absolutely right that I may accidentally loose sometimes with some 9s or Kings that he hit on later street. But his raise and bet indicates he has a strong made hand that he is trying to extract value from. And I just think there can be a lot of bluff there.

At 95% tables, I would fold that hand without thinking much. But it's just the how gambly the table was that prompted me to call. Thank you.

The question isn't "can he be bluffing." The question is how often is he bluffing and how much of his range (bluff and value) beats us.

Admittedly, we only need to be good a bit over 1/4 of the time, so it's not an awful call, but it's not a clear cut one either.

Pre is just bad from MP. I think if you have the button or 76s it's defensible assuming table has droolers on it and a 3bet from LP/blinds is unlikely.

Flop I check and hope to bink another useful card. 2nd pair no kicker is not a strong hand in a multiway pot.

Turn either check or make a real bet. I guess I'd call too but not loving life.

River you seem to want to call, I'm not sure it's profitable but your table read is that it's a good call so go ahead. To an extent you have induced bluffs with your weak turn lead and so if villain has the courage of his convictions this is a decent bluff spot for him because calling a raise is what draws do OTT and river is a total brick. You can avoid this whole thing by just folding pre though. I don't agree about bet sizing looking bluffy though, this is a straight value sizing.

If you play the hand line this you’re part of the reason the game is good.

Don’t discard fundamentals just because your opponents are droolers.