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Do you raise river w/ nut flush on paired board 3-way? Do you raise river w/ nut flush on paired board 3-way?

11-25-2016 , 07:03 PM
1/2 800 Effective

High hand promo and table of mostly unknowns. Fifth or sixth orbit at new table (changed table). Hero doubled through V2 on third hand with flopped middle set vs AK two pair on turn. V1 is 40s female. Seems to play a lot, has talked to a couple people in room. Played 3 hands, no cards shown. V2 Reg 40s. Plays pretty snug passive. Called every street in my hand history.

Hero C/O with AQ
V1 button
V2 SB

8 handed

4 limpers to me. Raised to $16 hoping to win or thin field. V1, V2 and UTG calls.

Flop Q-T-T Rainbow texture

Check, Check I bet $30 all three call. Pot ($185) I really don't like my chances of there not being a 10 in field.

Turn 8

Check UTG all in for $55 I call knowing I picked up outs but not feeling great about hand. Button raised to $120. SB tank calls. I. Call closing action $405 main pot. $225 Side. Everyone with me money has at least $600 left.

River 2

SB leads for $150. I'm not folding but do I put the rest of my stack in here or just call? I'm obviously beat by plausible hands but crush other plausible hands and have blockers to hands that beat me.

Weird hand playing extremely deep for once.
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11-25-2016 , 07:09 PM
Raising here is suicide. It's closer to a fold than it is to a raise. Call and expect to be good sometimes but you're going to lose this hand pretty often.
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11-25-2016 , 07:17 PM
Insta call. Never ever folding. Folding is just out of the question. Don't raise, as BTN is still uncapped here and have all boats. If BTN jams, probably sigh folding.
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11-25-2016 , 09:48 PM
I can't raise here given this action. What worse hand is calling you? You are behind a lot of the time as is.
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11-26-2016 , 01:04 AM
The only logical hands that beat you are QQ (1), TT (1), QT (4), & T8 (12) and we block a lot of that and a snug player probably isn't playing T8o from SB. SB V shouldn't have 88 often, T2 rarely, and 22 never based on flop/turn action.

I'm not really seeing how your not good here a lot, this lead looks more like a KJ/K9/J9/97 FD than a boat. The boat would bet more because someone should have a flush. With that being said, if V isn't going to call a raise with worse, no point raising
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11-26-2016 , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by The Rumor
I can't raise here given this action. What worse hand is calling you? You are behind a lot of the time as is.
I figured straights, trips and smaller flushes would call. I didn't like the SB leading out thus question. Will post results in a bit. Super deep stacks are tough! There were a lot of interesting spots in the past 12ish hours, totally different 1/2 game with 3-6 players sitting on 1000 or more pretty much all day.
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11-26-2016 , 02:50 AM
I call
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11-26-2016 , 03:25 AM
The mistake in this hand, in my opinion, is not having already thought about this after the turn raise that started the side pot action. If you aren't raising now, it's because you were drawing dead (or to 2 outs) too often to profitably call the turn. That means the turn probably should have been a raise the first time, or a back-raise or fold the second time.
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11-26-2016 , 05:04 AM
Lol at turn being a raise, backraise, or fold
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11-26-2016 , 02:20 PM
I didn't say that. I said if you don't think it should be one of those things, raise the river now.
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11-26-2016 , 02:37 PM
I would definitely ship this river. J9, worse flushes, trips etc are all easily possible and while a boat is definitely possible I think it's no more likely than any of those hands.
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11-26-2016 , 04:52 PM
The turn call is super thin given that the board is paired. The times we make our hand and lose combined with several of our diamond outs likely being held by our other opponents in the hand, makes me want to consider nit folding the turn.
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11-26-2016 , 06:49 PM
I should have had a better plan with the turn, definitely was my biggest mistake. The way the action was and the amount of money in the pots, I couldn't justify folding even knowing there were combos I was drawing to just a queen with.


I decided to call. Button tanked forever and called.

SB had black J-9 and I believe was doing a blocker bet. Button had A-10, UTG all-in had J-9

I just felt like I missed value here but I've been burned too many times on big card paired boards that I think I'm gun shy.

Part of me wonders if the flop was a check for pot control in retrospect.
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11-26-2016 , 06:56 PM
Fwiw SB almost never has a boat here. I only call river because BTN raised the turn, which is consistent with the nuts. If it were just SB, I'd ship it
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