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07-06-2016 , 07:23 AM
This Hand happend at the end of the night 2€/2€ Blinds… villian (LAG) had lost like 800€ and was on tillt.
Played with him one big pot before where i raised him on flop in position and he called me 2 streests with the nut flush draw and checked to me / gave up on the river

UTG Raises to 4
Villiann (500€) calls 4
CO calls
BTN calls
SB Hero (1200€) looks at KsQh decides to call
BB calls

FLOP (24€)
AcKdQc

Hero decides to lead 24€
UTG folds
Villian calls
Rest folds

TURN (72€)
7d

Hero Bets 54€
Villian calls

River (180€)
7s

Hero Checks
Villlian Bets 124€
Hero ?

Last edited by P00cket9; 07-06-2016 at 07:29 AM.
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07-06-2016 , 07:50 AM
I do not. Terrible card, chalk this one up to bad luck, fold and move on.
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07-06-2016 , 08:11 AM
Nah easy fold.
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07-06-2016 , 08:29 AM
Villian would never valuebet like A9 or lower in this spot against me and he did some crazy stuff after he lost a few big pots... i don't think it's a super easy fold

My thought process was:
- He has never J10 here because this is the type of player who has no slowplay in his arsenal... he bombs it.
- He would have 3b AJ+ pre for sure
- So what can he have? Straight draws, Flushdraws and A10o or lower...

Last edited by P00cket9; 07-06-2016 at 08:40 AM.
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07-06-2016 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by P00cket9
Villian would never valuebet like A9 or lower in this spot against me and he did some crazy stuff after he lost a few big pots... i don't think it's a super easy fold
Post those crazy plays if you want people to keep it in mind when offering feedback. The only info we have is he stationed 2 streets and gave up on river when he missed w/ NFD. Why should we think he is bluffing in this spot?
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07-06-2016 , 08:41 AM
Also the HH you posted raises serious doubts that he is LAG
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07-06-2016 , 08:43 AM
You can only make this call against a complete maniac because the ace is a terrible bluff card. Plus a lot of his flush draws have the Kc which he wouldn't bet here. Literally all you beat here is small suited connectors and you have no idea if he bets them in this spot.
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07-06-2016 , 08:46 AM
Ye my bad... i want to get active in that forum... and i kind of forgot that i have to give you the clear picture of this player that i have...

One crazy hand for example was where he called a big bet on the river on a 4-card straight board with bottom-set where it was 3-way to the river and it was clear he was beat a 100% of the time

We played for 7 hours and like the first 5h he played lagy and after that he turned in to full ****** monkey mode

Last edited by P00cket9; 07-06-2016 at 08:52 AM.
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07-06-2016 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by P00cket9
Ye my bad... i want to get active in that forum... and i kind of forgot that i have to give you the clear picture of this player that i have...

One crazy hand for example was where he called a big bet on the river on a 4-card straight board with bottom-set where it was 3-way to the river and it was clear he was beat a 100% of the time

We played for 7 hours and like the first 5h he played lagy and after that he turned in to full ****** monkey mode
Not all loose players are LAGs. In particular, this guy seems passive stationy.
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07-06-2016 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by scrybe
Not all loose players are LAGs. In particular, this guy seems passive stationy.
After thinking it through i have to agree with you...

Result oriented i called and he showed J7o and i got owned... probably a dumb call against a player who didn't bluff earlier in a similar spot... and you guys would now be 124€ richer then i am Thanks guys for leading me to that epiphany
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07-06-2016 , 10:33 AM
Calling when your set is beat is much different than betting big on the river in your hand. I'd need examples of big bluffs from him before I called.

However, if you checked to induce because you thought he'd bluff and does not have you beat, call away.
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07-06-2016 , 10:37 AM
He 100% has you beat here. Easy fold.
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07-06-2016 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by scrybe
Not all loose players are LAGs. In particular, this guy seems passive stationy.
This. As described the guy sounds like a station, but you haven't seen him make any meaningful bluffs yet.

He doesn't have any value hand that we beat any more, so now we're only beating a bluff and need him to be bluffing almost 30% of the time to be good.
What hand does he get to the river with that he decides to turn into a bluff? A lot of his flush draws have a K as well, so no need to bluff with those. J9cc, T9cc and T8cc? Maybe 56cc? You're now behind his flush draws with 7s in them, and in a prior hand he didn't turn a busted flush draw into a bluff anyway. Either you were always beat here (slow played JT for instance) or the 7 hit him by giving him a better two pair with an ace or weird trips.
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