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08-21-2019 , 01:40 AM
too small pre, you're never getting folds here. honestly think it's fine to squeeze here with our image and being deep, it's much better than using AJo/KQo and whatnot. also not getting 4b often at all makes this somewhat more ok. This deep, our hand is disguised and we don't get credit on 88x or 1096 for having the nuts. 100bb deep it's spew. Regardless, it's also bad squeezing this small since you're just bloating a pot with 8 high where you have zero FE pre, should be $48-60 though anything below $50 is too low to me.

flop i'd go slightly bigger like $90, ranges are super inelastic here within a certain range. ie betting $60-$90 calling ranges aren't really going to change.

turn at this point i'd just shove esp with our image. even with no crazy image i still rip it, people generally don't float light OOP 3-way in 3b pots and then click it back on a very good card for your range so make them pay the max now.

Last edited by Minatorr; 08-21-2019 at 01:46 AM.
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08-21-2019 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by krilleater
I think he'd fold AJ AQ and TT.

He's definitely terrible though.
Interesting
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08-21-2019 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Interesting
Referring to preflop, obviously.

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Turn at this point i'd just shove esp with our image. even with no crazy image i still rip it, people generally don't float light OOP 3-way in 3b pots and then click it back on a very good card for your range so make them pay the max now.
That's kind of what I found confusing. It's such a weird card to raise me on, he should probably never be raising here.
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08-21-2019 , 01:48 AM
Just rip turn, yes he probs is not bluffing, but on the off-chance he decided to be aggro with his draw you want all his chips and not freeze up with his value otr
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08-21-2019 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by krilleater
Referring to preflop, obviously.



That's kind of what I found confusing. It's such a weird card to raise me on, he should probably never be raising here.
No half decent reg here is folding 1010 preflop almost ever vs that small sizing this deep, and also with the cold caller pre likely to tag along. If he is, you need to change your reads to “completely whale reg”
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08-22-2019 , 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
No half decent reg here is folding 1010 preflop almost ever vs that small sizing this deep, and also with the cold caller pre likely to tag along. If he is, you need to change your reads to “completely whale reg”
Oh, V1 is definitely a moron. I've never seen him before but he played very poorly.

Anyways, I shoved and he quickly folded AJ face up. All around a weird/terrible hand by him.
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08-22-2019 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by krilleater
Anyways, I shoved and he quickly folded AJ face up. All around a weird/terrible hand by him.
This is being results oriented. For some reason he didn't think you had it and called you with A high on the flop. Under normal circumstances where you miss or hit 2nd/3rd pair he was planning on taking it away from you and you got lucky hitting the dream board.

A float + a turn reraise is not an easy thing to play against and most people dont have this in them and would just spazz pre or on the flop. This line looks way stronger then doing those things.

It is arguable whether his turn raise was bad since you shouldn't be able to put him on an A and your 3bet range is obviously very wide here so you could have some weird 1pair drawy hand. His line actually doesn't make sense and I would consider calling/shoving here in your position if I had a medicore hand so its pretty obvious he had designs to make this play on you regardless of the board runout, unexpectedly hit, and turned his hand into a bluff following through with his original intentions. The bet sizing is bad however and he should have just jammed or called and let you continue to "bluff". His raise then fold on the turn is absolutely idiotic though even though he was drawing dead.

Remember how good I called this hand on page 1.

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The only question left is what does V1 have. If he has AK/AQ here this would back up my theory that he was ready to take a stand against you. If this is the case, making that move preflop was really bad and you just ended up getting lucky.
The guy had enough of your **** and took a stand and you hit a 1% flop where he wasnt going to be able to take it away from you. Under a very large amount of situations he would have pushed you out with air. Be careful of who youre bluffing and pushing things too far with an image that doesnt have much credibility.

Last edited by AAJTo; 08-22-2019 at 04:04 AM.
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08-22-2019 , 06:02 AM
1. bigger pre, were super deep like 200bb/300bb+ deep so ur gonna wanna make everything bigger here. get some FE
2. flop bet size is whatever im sure theres a better size but its very technical
3. turn i would size up if ur gonna rep that ace make it bigger
4. now facing a x/r lets gii not much chips left at this point

and great comments AAJTo im learning a lot ^_^
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08-22-2019 , 07:38 AM
We can call this results oriented if we want to but this result is exactly why I said just calling the turn check raise was fine/good. You can obviously just jam most of the time with the nuts once the pot is big and you get raised...but when you're
1) In position
2) Have a hand like the nuts that is not very vulnerable

You can just call and let the villain be the one to put the chips in. Letting him off the hook by folding is a disaster. Villain had $400ish left and may well have jammed it in if hero just called the turn check raise.
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08-22-2019 , 02:04 PM
Nah, not with Hs loose image and Vs ridiculously strong line/range. He just happened to have a hand he can’t ever have/should rarely have and we still got a pile from him.
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08-22-2019 , 11:41 PM
Bigger pre and flop as stated

Shoving is always right here. Just because he was bluffing this ONE time does not mean you call to induce a stack off OTR by villain.

If you call that turn a much more likely story would be "then the board paired and he shoves, I call and look at a boat"... which is what we try to extract value from OTT when villain has a set.

Get it in OTT and hope he has the set there and a clean run out and winner winner. If you call and any 8, 7, K, or paired board card makes you want to vomit after you call and double him up. I feel this was a blip and you got more than you should have which is great.
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08-23-2019 , 04:04 AM
I think putting V on a set is overly ambitious. Why wouldn't he raise a set OTF? The A doesn't change anything.
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08-23-2019 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by krilleater
I think putting V on a set is overly ambitious. Why wouldn't he raise a set OTF? The A doesn't change anything.
A lot of people make their move on the turn on dry'ish boards to get more money in the pot. X/c flop, x/r turn is a super strong line.
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