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Originally Posted by Avaritia
The same idea applies to aggro villains but even more so bc they are firing so much of their wide range. When he 3!'s with A5o for example and we 4! KK and he folds, he makes the correct decision. By flatting, we allow him to fire into us post flop for one or two barrels.
I don't disagree with anything you said in your post, but I think this part in particular is a bit oversimplified. If villain is a TAGgy player who regularly 3bets light enough in this spot (which is saying a lot given that we're UTG) for us to be aware of and concerned with it, then you'll want to have 4bet bluffs in your range against him. And if you have 4b bluffs in your range, you need to be very careful about how many value hands you're flatting with, lest your 4b range become filled with hot air (though we're IP here, so I guess we could use a strategy of having a wide flatting range and no 4b range at all, hoping to raise a lot of flops or float often; OOP this wouldn't even be an option). And in the calculus of "is this player more likely to stack off pre or post?", players that are aggro pre and especially those with whom you have an aggro dynamic are less likely to fold stuff like JJ-QQ/AK to your 4b.
But yeah OP, I don't know if having a "standard" play here is really necessary or even preferable, given how villain and dynamic dependent this spot is. It's that "pre or post" calculus, along with being somewhat mindful your range construction, that should determine your move here. If the villain you describe is likely to fold AK/JJ to a 4b and sometimes folds QQ as well, then yes this is a turbo flat IP (OOP I'd probably still 4b, but I'm on record as hating playing OOP more than going to the dentist; it's pathological at this point), but lots of players can be pretty sticky those hands pre but more cautious postflop on unfavorable boards, in which case you'd prefer to 4b.