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Difficult spot with TT Difficult spot with TT

08-14-2018 , 05:34 PM
V1 HJ (300)is middle eastern guy middle aged around 40-50. We habit played before and I sat down an orbit or two ago.
V2 CO (500) is passive pre and post

Hero button 30 yo white guy buys in for max of 500 currently has (580)
Won 1 pot without showdown where hero won
I usually play 1/2 but the table was full

OTTH 2/5
Straddle is on for 10

V1 open limps
V2 calls
Hero looks down at TT and raises to 50
V1 calls
V2 folds

Heads up to the flop
893

V1 checks
Hero bets 60
V1 jams for 250
Pot at this point is around 430
190 for hero to call



Is my raise pre to big?
Should I bet flop?
I think I should because my hand is vulnerable to over cards and I get value from worse

Why is this a call or a fold?
Please include the range you put V on
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08-14-2018 , 05:57 PM
What are your suits? Do you have the Ts? Much easier to call if we don't have it, but likely calling anyways. You're 30bb eff and you flop an overpair. I don't like that we block a lot of open enders, but kinda just have to go with it.

I like your pf sizing. Flop sizing seems ok. I think you can go a bit bigger, especially w/out the Ts.
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08-14-2018 , 06:57 PM
No Ts
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08-14-2018 , 07:26 PM
Put the rest of your chips in the middle. Maybe bigger pre.
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08-14-2018 , 07:31 PM
preflop sizing is fine.

flop is a mandatory bet. i like sizing up here to set up an easy 2/3 pot turn shove. pot is about 120 going to flop? make it 90. this leaves 160 behind and a 300 pot.

as played you probably have a call, needing 30% equity. if you size up on flop, not only do you have an easier turn shove, but you also have an easier flop call, only needing 26%.. seems minor, i know
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08-14-2018 , 07:37 PM
Played fine. Now call.
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08-14-2018 , 08:01 PM
Divide everything by 5 and you’ll see how easy a call it is in your usual game.
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08-14-2018 , 08:08 PM
Snap call. If his jamming range is literally only two pair, sets, and A9s calling is basically breaking even. Throw any bluffs or other 9’s and it’s very +EV. We need 30% and I would be pretty surprised if we were under 40%.
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08-14-2018 , 08:21 PM
Pre is a little small, you're giving people too good a price to call and see a flop.

We are calling off the bet here, just getting too good of a price to fold. Occasionally you will be up against sets and 8-9, but you are just as likely to be up against Axss, TJss and sometimes A9.

If you feel you can't call all your TT here, then you should call all TT without a spade and fold those with.
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08-14-2018 , 08:37 PM
I actually disagree with people saying it’s better to not have the Ts here. We have better equity against a range of sets, A9s, K9s, 89s, and 65-KQss with TT and a spade than TT no spade. Holds true if we add more spade draws like QT, KT, and AT. Holding the Ts doesn’t block so many low equity draws that it’s worth giving up the equity against his value, not to mention it takes away an out for his flush draws.
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08-14-2018 , 08:42 PM
OTTH 1/2

V1 open limps
V2 calls
Hero looks down at TT and raises to 10
V1 calls
V2 folds

Heads up to the flop
893

V1 checks
Hero bets 12
V1 jams for 50
Pot at this point is around 86
38 for hero to call

Would you even post the hand?
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08-14-2018 , 08:46 PM
^^ That
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08-14-2018 , 11:59 PM
At my 1/2 games any Villain with a 9 takes that line.

Gotta call.
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08-15-2018 , 12:33 AM
More pre and snap call bud
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08-15-2018 , 05:11 AM
Very standard call as played

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08-15-2018 , 10:37 AM
not sure how you can fold. Pretty easy call imo
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08-15-2018 , 10:47 AM
Pre sizing is good. Flop bet & sizing is good. Now call.
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08-15-2018 , 11:03 AM
:grunch:

I think the hand is played pretty well so far. Maybe bump up pre to 60/70, but no real complaints with sizing as played.

Flop:
-Bet is fine, i probably size up though. You bet to get value from worse PP who don't think this board hits your range as well as to deny equity to any draws.

-Speaking of draws, do you have the T in your hand? Not having it puts a few more big combo draws back into V's range.

-I'm most likely snap calling in this spot. You'll see sets and two pair sometimes, but you'll also see hands like A3:spade, AX, KQ, A9x, etc enough that this is most likely a call.
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08-15-2018 , 12:12 PM
Pre sizing just fine, no need to adjust it, you've got TT, it's not an extraordinary strong hand, and on the other hand, you don't want to make it too cheap for V to call. So, a smaller or a larger isolation raise wouldn't be justified here. 3x+2x, standard, no need to overthink it.
Bet on the flop, though, is not necessarily good. Here's why: unless you have a lot of hands played against villain and you know exactly what he shoves with on that flop, you need to consider your overpair to beat his range in the long run. His range is wide here, and quite frankly, that should be none of your concerns in this very particular spot. I'd rather be wondering what range does he assign me there, given the 5x raise preflop. Of course he's likely to think that you've missed that flop, you've got AJ+ and KQ in your range here, and believe it or not, a fish loves to tell himself that you've got nothing, he hates telling himself that you have him. So, at least 2/3 bet on the flop.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you that your opponent's range is not important, not at all. I'm telling you that in this particular spot, it's +ev to play against him, whether you'll end up winning or not. In the long run, it's gonna make you profit. Just like <sisyphusonroids> said, you only need 30% equity here.
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08-15-2018 , 12:17 PM
I think I can understand why you CBETTED 60$ OTF. But since V is a short, if we do take note of V's stack size, we can better size our flop cbet to maximise our hands value and as well, to make our decisions easier after V acts. Since V is short, we should cbet bigger so that when V does shove, or the scary TURN card falls, we have a easier time pushing it in.

I think your preflop raise is good. Although V might choose to flat QQ/JJ IP instead of raising due to the preflop raise size, but it's a small issue because V are going to call with many hands we beat as well preflop, overcards(unconnected/unsuited), setminers, middle/Broadway suited connectors, maybe even BWX.

V has 40bb left, I'll bet probably 90$ or even 100$ here. If V have a pair, straight or flush draw, they are going to call or even raise. Of course, we will be beat sometimes when they raise because they could also have sets, two pairs, and overpairs. They might call or fold setminers but it's ok, since we get tons of value already from their draws and TP/MP. Though this is a marginal spot, I feel, after calculating. But, +EV is better than 0EV, and definitely better than being -EV, right? Any thoughts on this spot being a marginal spot to call?

Here's the range of hands I assigned to V, which they might shove with.

AsKs-As2s,KsQs-KsTs,QsJs-QsTs,JTs-76s,99,88,33

[And the above range excludes QQ,JJ,TT. If I add them in, it becomes -EV spot.
Any thoughts?] >> Sorry, got the pot amount wrong when calculating. We are actually +EV even if we include QQ,JJ,TT into V's range.

Last edited by smokey93; 08-15-2018 at 12:45 PM. Reason: Additional thoughts and information on hand range assigned to V
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08-15-2018 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Divide everything by 5 and you’ll see how easy a call it is in your usual game.
Without the straddle scale factor, this is like putting in $120 in a 1/2 game with an overpair against a limper. Seems like a pretty comfortable spot. With 60bb and a flop SPR ~2, I wouldn't try to dodge sets.
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08-15-2018 , 12:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Divide everything by 5 and you’ll see how easy a call it is in your usual game.
Why divide by 5?
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08-15-2018 , 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smokey93
Why divide by 5?
Because Hero's normal game as noted is 1/2, but hero is at 2/5 and there is a $10 straddle to make the BB effectively 5x more than 1/2 (and thus all of the bet sizing / pot sizing).
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08-15-2018 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
Because Hero's normal game as noted is 1/2, but hero is at 2/5 and there is a $10 straddle to make the BB effectively 5x more than 1/2 (and thus all of the bet sizing / pot sizing).
Hey c0rnBr34d

Thanks for the explanation. Allow me to digest that concept
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08-15-2018 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
OTTH 1/2

V1 open limps
V2 calls
Hero looks down at TT and raises to 10
V1 calls
V2 folds

Heads up to the flop
893

V1 checks
Hero bets 12
V1 jams for 50
Pot at this point is around 86
38 for hero to call

Would you even post the hand?
I only post hands that I feel I misplayed. If I did this same thing at 1/2 it would be posted. However, if it was like the above I would shrug and call off.

I left the 2/5 game shortly after and moved to 1/2

clearly not mentally ready for higher stakes
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