Live €1/2 full ring

Main decision for me is on the turn

I just sat down to this table and the main villain is an unknown player to me who I have never met previously

I opened to €10 with JJ in HJ
Btn called and SB 3B to €35
BB folded
I called and Btn folded
Anyone rotting for a 4B pre? (effective stack is about €350)

Pot: €80

Flop: 225r
SB continued for €45 - any merits in raising?
I called as played

Pot: €170
Turn: K (also gives a backdoor flush draw - we don't block the suit)

SB continued for €110 - What do you guys think here?
Against an unknown player makes this a bit tough for me, he is a mid-aged man and it was hard for me to say whether he is a tight or a loose player
I would certainly prefer to see no overcards as if he were just cbetting the flop with any AK - he has now got us in very bad shape - if he has a worse overpair than us on the flop - is he really leading the turn here?

Thoughts are greatly appreciated. Cheers.

0retty standard fold on the turn against a mostly nondescript middle aged white dude. He wont be bluffing or better with worse often enough.

I think the same once we get there as played - what do you reckon on the pre flop and flop?

Any hand that 3B PF will CBet that flop. While Turn isn't good for us, unless he has AK, KK, or AA, he's not liking it either. Theres still a ton of hands he has that you beat. With No read, it's hard to say. You can min raise, if he has AK+ he jams, you fold. If he calls, it may prevent him betting river, and you can lose min, and/or avoid being bluffed on river if/when he open jams. IMO

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i would have played exactly the same, folding now.

I think your line is perfectly standard. At 1/2 pre-flop 3-bets are rare and you have no reads on villain, so no reason to resume he is getting out of line. folding turn is fine.

its a pretty scary sizing because if we call, we probably have to call down and hope he is just messing with us.

obvious its not horrible to 4 bet jacks vs a sb 3 bet. its rather risky, but not horrible. and raising flop isn't horrible either. i think in position raising flop might be a decent play because on a lot of turns can check threw and we can decide on river.

We have little information on villain and little reason to think villain is getting out of line. An unknown villain's range crushes us on this turn.

A 4bet pre or a raise on the flop would both be terrible, IMO. If I'm going to throw a bunch of money at a project/investment/poker hand then I need to reasonably believe that investment will produce a positive return. I don't know how you could possibly feel like that here when you don't know anything about this villain but if you consider his player profile and the general population a 4-bet pre would mostly put us in a spot where we are either slightly ahead or way way behind.

Nice hand--assuming you folded to the turn bet.

agreed. Standard play for most players at these stakes is to call and see a flop. 3 bet (especially OOP) usually means QQ+ / AK

wp pre -- not 4betting JJ without a sure read that V is ever opening light

flop -- call is good. making a broad generalization about 1/2, V's 3b range is probably JJ+ AK -- raising only folds out the hands that are worse and have 1/6 to improve ott. yeah it sucks to give a "free" turn against a hand that is worse a lot of the time but you just can't raise here.

turn -- if our ranging is correct then it's a clear fold because he has literally zero worse hands. depends entirely on how 1/2 plays at your room. but IME there are not wide enough 3bets in general that V has worse than JJ often enough to call 2/3 pot

i want to point out something important -- the question isn't whether villain can bluff turn. the question is whether villain can ever possibly have a worse hand on the turn.

I did - unfortunately got tabled 66

ouch. take a note and move on

it's perfectly reasonable to assume an unknown 1/2 villain is not 3betting 66-88 (and probably not 99/TT either)

given that assumption, calling turn is spewing.

if you always call turn in this hand (against various unknown opponents) you probably lose money in the long run. folding was correct given what you knew.

Yeah I agree - thank you for all the analysis