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Did I spew or wp? 5/5 nl/plo Did I spew or wp? 5/5 nl/plo

07-05-2013 , 09:01 PM
1 rotation nl 1 rotation plo. No real reads as villain and I haven't played together that long. We're 9 handed.

I straddle for 20 utg with 770.
Villain calls utg1, 2 other flats, both blinds call.
I raise my straddle to 125 with KQo. Utg1 calls everyone else folds.
Flop 943 two diamonds. I bet 185 he calls after some consideration and after looking at my stack.
Turn off suit 7. I shove 460. Spew or wp?
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07-05-2013 , 09:47 PM
I assume V covers? Do you at least have a physical description to give us? Do you have a table image?

I don't ever UTG straddle, but I KQ plays well multi way, so if I did, I'd check my option.

AP, that board def requires a c-bet. Once called, the 7 is almost a blank. I don't think there's much 56 in his range, and a lot of medium PP's will fold here, so i don't hate the shove in a vacuum. Player dependent, obv.
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07-05-2013 , 10:46 PM
He is like 40 and works for UPS. He's in his uniform. I'm 28 and wearing earbuds. This is only the second time we played together. I've been in alot of pots. Nothing crazy tho.
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07-05-2013 , 11:18 PM
Spew

1) check preflop. Given that u are in the straddle, I doubt u will get alot of folds by trying to isolate preflop.

2) your flop shoving range is very narrow. Can u represent sets well here? Will u ever rise 44 or 33 preflop? I think some people will even check 99 preflop.

When u shove, what are u trying to rep? AA? KK? Sets? That is a very narrow range since u can't rep alot of sets.

Imo, big spew at turn.
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07-05-2013 , 11:49 PM
Spew. Nobody ever believes the straddler has a big hand, which is great when you do have one but people tend to call down straddlers pretty lightly.
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07-05-2013 , 11:51 PM
Ah just played so bad. Didn't notice board was 4 to a straight when I flush jannndZ.
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07-05-2013 , 11:52 PM
Feel
Pretty ill
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07-06-2013 , 12:02 AM
so whats everyone calling with? no one is folding any pair they have or A high?
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07-06-2013 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
so whats everyone calling with? no one is folding any pair they have or A high?
We try to put villain on a range.

At flop:flush draws, straight draws, monster draws, pocket pairs 55+, top pair , monsters like two pair+

At turn, a 7 falls. This is a card that is likely to improve villain range. If you shove, what hands can u fold out?

This is villain dependant. A good hand reader is likely to call u lighter like 88+, TP, good draws with A high + weak pairs. A poor hand reader or nitty player will fold basically everything except monsters.
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07-06-2013 , 02:52 AM
pre is whatever, i don´t hate it, try to take down that dead money pre, and the raise is big enough that it should work often enough. checking is fine too, raising slightly better imo.
as played, gotta cbet this board.
turn is a blank since it only improves one unlikely hand. i feel we are more or less commited to this pot, and we do have FE; if he would have loved his hand, he probably would have shoved straight on the flop. pretty risky play, but, as played, i don´t think you have much choice but to jam, blowing away half your stack and giving up ott seems pretty weak.
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07-06-2013 , 06:36 AM
Hard to comment on without much information on villain.
His range is most likely middle pairs, diamond draws.
You are repping overpairs.

As played, you'll probably fold out a large part of his range unless he's really stationy, so it's high variance but ok I guess.
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07-06-2013 , 12:56 PM
You straddle UTG, raise big pre, bet flop, then jam turn with air... Spew IMO.
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07-06-2013 , 01:35 PM
The pot on the turn is 700. Is checking and giving up a better option than shoving? Is something like 135 flop 175 turn better than my line? I'm repping a strong range and there's no reason for villain to believe I'm light or making a move here.
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07-06-2013 , 02:46 PM
yeah, i don´t hate it that much like all the others do, especially if you are playing with this player pool regularly. if you blew away one stack by bluffing, well, be it.
but if we are playing against the same player pool over and over again, cbetting big on such boards and shutting down everytime you have overcards but jamming everytime you got the overpair seems pretty weak to me too.
might be a bad play in a vacuum and might cost you money in this special hand, but it might set up nice spots on future hands.
and don´t forget, we still have 6 outs probably. would also be nice to get called by the T8dd hehe
gotta repeat, #notspewifyougotswag
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07-06-2013 , 07:24 PM
Well results are he called with 55 after a few minutes of tanking. I'm just trying to figure out if my line looks bluffy to people or if I just ran into a fish.
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07-06-2013 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
He is like 40 and works for UPS. He's in his uniform.
Lol, this little fact makes this not spew. I'm serious.

He called bc he had a straight draw if he was behind, like 100%

Also try not to wear earbuds at the table.
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07-06-2013 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Lol, this little fact makes this not spew. I'm serious.

He called bc he had a straight draw if he was behind, like 100%

Also try not to wear earbuds at the table.
But... 65 just got there and A2 has us crushed.

??????
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07-06-2013 , 09:12 PM
He's the one behind in the long run. Many recreational fold this spot on turn bc they just don't know.
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07-06-2013 , 09:27 PM
One thing I thought about after I read your post, is what is he calling otf with? Assuming you and this guy play together in the future, I feel like the only hands he calls the turn bet with are A) have you beat if he can talk himself into calling against unimproved overs, or that you are just pushing with a flush draw or B) Are a flush draw, and if he called the turn he'll probably ship it ott with any flush draw. Against all flush draws you have a 35% chance of winning.

Of course, you are offering him odds of 2.5-1 on the turn. Seeing as he called the flop bet, I just don't see most gambling guys who are playing for fun fold the turn with a wide variety of hands. After all, he has almost $300 in the pot, how can he back up now!? In his mind, you either have AA, KK, QQ, or are totally bluffing with two overs. He's calling the turn if he doubted it enough to call 185 on the flop.

I like your move though, and I wouldn't chalk it up as a horrible decision. Show the KQ with a smile on your face cause you will DEFINITELY be stacking this guy in the future. Especially when you have JJ+ and a bloated PFpot... Sometimes, crazy moves like this is why you will felt people like him more often than he will felt you!
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07-06-2013 , 09:49 PM
Maybe he doesn't work for UPS and bought the uniform 2nd hand just so when he wins a pot he can stand up and shout SHIP IT!
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07-06-2013 , 10:47 PM
What do you guys feel about raising the straddle here? Should KQo be in this range for some kind of balance purpose? I mean I have the best hand a large % of the time if you assume Ax hands can't proceed and AK would raise pre most of the time. My range for raising the straddle shouldn't be just high pairs and AK.
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07-07-2013 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
What do you guys feel about raising the straddle here? Should KQo be in this range for some kind of balance purpose? I mean I have the best hand a large % of the time if you assume Ax hands can't proceed and AK would raise pre most of the time. My range for raising the straddle shouldn't be just high pairs and AK.
I'm always raising this to $11-$16 with KQo.

Like someone else pointed out, nobody believes the straddler when they raise. At least where I play, this move generally gets a lot of callers and you're more than likely ahead.
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07-07-2013 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by skrimbler
I'm always raising this to $11-$16 with KQo.

Like someone else pointed out, nobody believes the straddler when they raise. At least where I play, this move generally gets a lot of callers and you're more than likely ahead.
you should reread the hand history imo.
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07-07-2013 , 10:27 AM
Raise pf is fine, flop cbet is fine, turn ship is fine if villain is tight

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07-07-2013 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RoyalRumble
Maybe he doesn't work for UPS and bought the uniform 2nd hand just so when he wins a pot he can stand up and shout SHIP IT!
LOL
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