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11-25-2017 , 02:11 AM
Alright so this hand took place at Harrah's Atlantic City the other night.
My stack is about $400 and I am UTG with 5d7d

Been playing fairly tight the entire night. Trying to keep my range fairly tight but mixing in a few different hands here and there to keep my opponents guessing.

Action was I raised to $15 pre, UTG +2 re raises to $40. Guy in late position who is (very loose) and has about $750+ in front of him calls the $40. I tank for a minute only because the guy who was to my left and 3-bet me was a very good player who had previously limped 3 times that I noticed with AK/AQ just to switch it up I guess. So his 3-bet here meant to me QQ+. So I end up making the call.

Flop comes
3d4d6s.

I tank for a minute and then donk bet $70 (2 honest reasons for this bet) 1. Was the player to my left who raised preflop is a good friend of mine so I kind of wanted to get him out of the pot 2. I wanted to make this look like a C-bet and since my hand was so disguised I thought the bet here was good. UTG+1 tanks for about 4 minutes and ends up folding. The guy in late position then 3 bets me to $140. I sit there and think about coming back over the top or just smooth calling and I end up just calling.

The turn comes Qc.

I go into the tank and then bet $200 and the guy folds.

I just feel like I missed out on a large amount of money in this pot an want to know some others thoughts.
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11-25-2017 , 03:16 AM
Your post-flop line looks really strong and you might have gotten max value from some range between 88 and JJ that couldn't continue once the Q fell on the turn. You have to consider, you have blockers to both draws holding a 5 and two diamonds.

Maybe a check on the turn would have kept his bluffs in, or maybe he checks back and the board pairs or the flush comes in or both, and then what do you do? (Well, unless it's the 6d of course.) Straights are vulnerable, his raise of your donk bet shows strength, and if he does have a set or a nutty flush draw you've got to charge him, so a bet on the turn is fine. Stack sizes are just awkward so it's hard to keep his draws in; he has no payoff if he gets there when you are effectively all in.

Maybe sizing down your flop bet would have left more breathing room, and you'd get to the turn with like a 1/2-1/3 stack pot bet that looks convincing and odds-to-call worthy. I guess that's the note I'm left with offering, but that's still targeting a small and optimistic part of his range like KdQd or something. I'm assuming this is 2/5, so chalk all this up to one of many answers to the question "why can't we play 57s profitably from under the gun with less than 100bb?"

Still, it's mostly just back luck he didn't have 66 I guess.
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11-25-2017 , 04:01 AM
this hand is really confusing.

first off, 57s is just too loose UTG. i would also fold to the 3bet, but i dont blame you for calling given the really small sizing and a spewy player calling from LP to give you better pot odds.

as played dont donk flops, esp in a 3bet pot. x/r flop

facing the flop raise, you should be jamming over the top (its only like $200 more). also, fyi he is not 3betting you on the flop, its just a raise/2bet.

if you wanna flat his flop raise tht's fine (imo its ok since he seems a bit spewy but there are some action killing turns). if you do flop it do not donk the turn. x/j to keep his bluffs in.
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11-25-2017 , 04:28 AM
I really like the flop lead, then flat. I wouldn't have donked turn though. I think check there would work great most of the time.
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11-25-2017 , 05:08 AM
You don't mention what limit this is. 1/3?

57s is way too loose to open UTG. Given it's a small threebet call is just about OK, if the threebet were to $50 you probably have to fold that too.

Not sure what the point of leading the flop here is, there's not really that much money to get in. If you check and he bets $80, shoving will be a pot sized raise. That will also neatly get your friend out of the way. As played, after you lead and he raises jam is very easy. If he has an overpair, he's pot committed. If he's bluffing with nothing, he's probably not putting any more money in no matter what. You don't want to flat and let some horrific card like the A roll off and kill your action.
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11-25-2017 , 05:13 AM
Just reread and I thought villain was the guy who threebet you. To be frank I'd just check and let your friend bet his overpair. Agreements on softplaying should only apply to heads up pots. Softplaying multi-handed is both unethical and messes up your ability to get money out of people. Assuming you do want to lead the flop, definitely jam after he raises you.
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11-25-2017 , 05:30 AM
Imo, everything you did this hand was wrong. If you do not want to play pots against your friend, don't sit at the same table, if it's just a poker friend you know from casino and you don't hang out outside of it, then I really don't understand that decision. Both of you are there to win and 3 way pots you can't let that come between you and max value. 75dd from utg is super loose, but like others said, given the tiny 3!, call is good.

I would always check this flop. What turn cards are you afraid of here? 7 or a 5 or board pairing are the worst that can come, but you just gotta let your friend c-bet here! Your hand is super disguised and at by x/c you can either rep a flush draw and A5s with maybe a backdoor or A5d for a lot of outs. If your friend c-bets and LP raises you can either jam depending on his sizing or just call, but either way you're going to looks strong.

I'm checking turn here in hopes that your opponent bluffs, or maybe downbetting to give him better odds to call. There isn't too many rivers you are afraid of and you want to keep him in.

Fold pre, but as played you lost out on a lot of value.
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11-25-2017 , 07:31 AM
Fold pf.

Next you make two donk bets (not a cbet) after raises and wonder why people are folding. You're showing huge strength. Even a small set is folding to your relentless pressure.
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11-25-2017 , 10:37 AM
soft playing your friend to target the 3rd guy is CHEATING
you as much as admit it .
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11-25-2017 , 01:35 PM
I hate playing that UTG but what a flop! I love the donk bet. It looks like you're weak (to me). As if you want to set the price to draw. If he had AA or KK he might shove. He didn't but I think your bet was smart.
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11-25-2017 , 03:05 PM
Just to respond. First thanks for all the responses. This was a $1/2NL game. After running that hand over and over again. I hate how it was played and all of your insight was very helpful. Apologize for the wrong wording. (Cbet/3bet) Just typing it up and trying to get all of the information out.
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11-25-2017 , 03:18 PM
I'm sure everyone has o/r $15 UTG in a 1/2NL game with 75s at one time or another. Other than me, that is. However, I'm the 'cream of the crop.'

Postflop, I'd act like my AK, AQs doesn't want to fold by c/c. Maybe a donk bet otr depending on how the board ran out & how much strength my V has shown in his bet sizing.

However, once again I must remind you that I've never o/r $15 with 75s UTG. Never have & never will. Ever. 98s is the bottom of my range in that position [when the table dynamic dictates playing the hand] & not for $15. I go for $8.
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11-26-2017 , 01:06 AM
I'd def fold that to a 3b utg. But seeing how you called and flopped the nuts id let him take lead, making him think he was head with most likely an over pair or a draw and set a trap. Might have been able to suck a little more value out.
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11-26-2017 , 02:13 AM
I'd fold pre, I'm calling the 3bet now though.

Flopped nuts in a 3bet pot on a low board when our range should be decent but excludes KK+ is a dream. I would x/r this all day long. Our guy has pockets, he's calling a flop raise.

AP I probably flat and let him bet turn, intending to jam. I don't like donking turn here, all of his big hands and all of his bluffs + draws barrel, whereas hands like TT check and are not calling a donk anyway.
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11-26-2017 , 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
I'd fold pre, I'm calling the 3bet now though.

Flopped nuts in a 3bet pot on a low board when our range should be decent but excludes KK+ is a dream. I would x/r this all day long. Our guy has pockets, he's calling a flop raise.

AP I probably flat and let him bet turn, intending to jam. I don't like donking turn here, all of his big hands and all of his bluffs + draws barrel, whereas hands like TT check and are not calling a donk anyway.
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What would you do with all of your range that you missed the flop on? Check, right?

On the turn your opponent was either going to bet the turn with his draw, or check. When you call his raise, and lead the turn, he realized he was beat and folded. You were not going to get any extra money out of him. Keep his bluffs in, and check raise the turn. I bet he would check and look for a free card.
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11-27-2017 , 04:10 AM
Insta-AI otf vs the raise. If he has 99, there's no more money coming your way if you bet/call and the turn isn't an off-suit 9. Just rip it. Even if he has a nfd, he's probably checking turn.
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11-27-2017 , 08:44 AM
most annoying part about this hand must be the tanking.
Did this hand really take 10 minutes only to be over ott?

damn...

serious question, what does tanking even mean? Why taking so much damn time?
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