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01-29-2018 , 01:38 PM

childishnes

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Just a bit of information I start the hand with $175
Player 2 has about $800-$900 dollars.

To start the hand I'm UTG and put on the $4 straddle.
8 people call I look down at 8

and I check.

Flop:6

I bet $15 into 30
Player behind me calls
Player (2) in late position re-raises to 45.

Player (1) folds. I flat call.
Turn K

. I Check Player(2) has about 400BBs and bets out $50. I only have 74BB's behind and ship it. He snaps calls.

River:2

. Player(2) Turns over 3

Did I play this wrong ?

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01-29-2018 , 01:43 PM

twitcherroo

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Huh? No. Other than straddling UTG nh.

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01-29-2018 , 01:49 PM

childishnes

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Originally Posted by twitcherroo

Huh? No. Other than straddling UTG nh.

Should I be raising this hand in the straddle position given that 5-6 players called?

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01-29-2018 , 02:05 PM

TrubyKGB

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If you're going to straddle you need to learn the basics of it..it's not recommended but can spice up the game and get the chips flowing. Now since you straddled you only start the hand with about 45bb as we are playing 1-2-4. Check is fine pre.

Bigger otf since the whole table is playing. We could also go for a c/r which is most likely the better option but nothing wrong with donking here. After we get raised I'm shipping the flop but as played turn has to be a c/r. Seems pretty standard.

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01-29-2018 , 02:08 PM

QuadJ

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Straddle is a mistake. Flop bet should be closer to $20, there are lots of possible draws to better hands. You have player 1 acting out of order at some point. 3 betting flop is possible but depends on villains and flatting is OK where there can only be 3 to the turn at most.

Turn is meh. I would rather lead because villain should be mostly checking behind after you call the flop raise but it also looks very much like the nuts and may fold villain of weaker hands. Villain's actual hand is just silly.

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01-29-2018 , 02:14 PM

thin_slicing

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Originally Posted by TrubyKGB

With this many players and it being 1-2 this is one of the few times I would ever donk lead the flop. I would bet $22-25.

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01-29-2018 , 02:15 PM

childishnes

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Originally Posted by TrubyKGB

"If you're going to straddle you need to learn the basics of it"- Can you point me in the direction of some helpful resources?

And also is donking here for information useful and what does villian represent after he check raises the flop ? sets? and diamonds? right?

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01-29-2018 , 02:18 PM

Javanewt

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The basics: don't straddle UTG and don't straddle when you're short.

Hand was fine. If you straddle here, don't ever raise this straddle unless you are planning to shove.

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01-29-2018 , 02:24 PM

childishnes

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Originally Posted by QuadJ

This was the first time I ever straddled in this session. I thought I'd do it to create a bit of action and it ended up going the wrong way. Anyway, since villain is deep I actually do like the 2/3 pot donk bet so when he c/r my only option is to ship it. Because there's no way he calls a paired 7 on such a draw heavy board given that he'd have to go runner runner clubs on the turn and flop. I'm kicking myself for this.

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01-29-2018 , 02:32 PM

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golferguy09

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I am jamming flop after being raised. Charge V max for any draws. Never understood why anyone would want to straddle, to play the rest of the hand out of position?? But, where I play, most people that straddle, usually raise with ATC, and usually the raise is significant..

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01-29-2018 , 02:40 PM

#11

TrubyKGB

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Originally Posted by childishnes

If you bet the turn it has to be a jam. You only have $125 left and the pot is $140ish. We call a flop raise and jam the turn? That seems super strong. We're also checking the turn with a majority of the hands in our range so there's no reason to bet.

Im not sure why you're kicking yourself lol there's no huge mistake here at all you flopped the nuts and got paid the max.

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01-29-2018 , 02:49 PM

#12

SBussie

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Originally Posted by SBussie

the hand was played fine, though I probably 3b jam the flop since we are so short and are never folding in this spot

Edit: thought there was a club on the flop

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01-29-2018 , 02:51 PM

#13

insidestr8

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Originally Posted by SBussie

Would’ve* got the max. Op lost to runner runner clubs. Other than that the hand was played fine, though I probably 3b jam the flop since we are so short and are never folding in this spot

Umm I only counted 4 clubs, flop was club free unless I missed something, which is entirely possible.

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01-29-2018 , 03:06 PM

#14

childishnes

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Originally Posted by insidestr8

Umm I only counted 4 clubs, flop was club free unless I missed something, which is entirely possible.

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Sorry I made a mistake there was a six of clubs.

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01-29-2018 , 03:07 PM

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childishnes

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Originally Posted by childishnes

Just a bit of information I start the hand with $175
Player 2 has about $800-$900 dollars.

To start the hand I'm UTG and put on the $4 straddle.
8 people call I look down at 8

and I check.

Flop:6

I bet $15 into 30
Player behind me calls
Player (2) in late position re-raises to 45.

Player (1) folds. I flat call.
Turn K

. I Check Player(2) has about 400BBs and bets out $50. I only have 74BB's behind and ship it. He snaps calls.

River:2

. Player(2) Turns over 3

Did I play this wrong ?

sorry about the error but there was a 6

on the flop and not a heart.

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01-29-2018 , 03:09 PM

#16

insidestr8

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Originally Posted by childishnes

sorry about the error but there was a 6

on the flop and not a heart.

Oh ok, well that makes more sense why your upset about how it played out.

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01-29-2018 , 03:12 PM

#17

SBussie

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Originally Posted by childishnes

sorry about the error but there was a 6

on the flop and not a heart.

I figured there had to be a mistake otherwise this wouldn’t have been a thread. But I’m still in the hand was played fine camp, but jamming flop is certainly an option too. In the long run you want this player to do things like this because you will be printing money off of the mistakes he makes

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01-29-2018 , 04:12 PM

#18

shorn7

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Other than not shipping the flop when raised, you played it fine, including the straddle part of it.

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01-29-2018 , 05:33 PM

#19

TrubyKGB

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The fact that it's a club changes nothing, the hand should be played the same. If anything it makes leading the turn a little better.

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01-29-2018 , 06:14 PM

#20

twitcherroo

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Originally Posted by TrubyKGB

The fact that it's a club changes nothing, the hand should be played the same. If anything it makes leading the turn a little better.

Nothing changes, well played. Betting more is ever a bad thing.

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01-29-2018 , 06:20 PM

#21

dmccoy87

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Originally Posted by twitcherroo

Huh? No. Other than straddling UTG nh.

+1

Straddling, other than the recreational merit, is generally bad imo. Definitely not a fan when we are reducing our stack from ~100 to ~50 BBs.

EDIT: Just read that the 6h was a 6c. Changes nothing, hand was played fine, other than the straddle.

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01-29-2018 , 07:54 PM

#22

Homey D. Clown

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,259

I gotta say I hardly ever straddle, but I do think it can be useful, for instance to get a certain dynamic going at nitty, passive tables where people hate to have to invest more money than they feel they need to.

I actually think the minus EV aspect of straddling is not nearly as clear cut as most people here make it out to be.

I'm not a fan of straddling when I'm shortstacked though. I'd put the threshold somewhere around 150+BB.

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01-29-2018 , 08:25 PM

#23

dmccoy87

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My main issue with straddling is our position sucks. We have to be significantly better than our competition to overcome the positional disadvantage.

I do straddle somewhat frequently in my home game, but the stakes are very small and I play 200bbs deep. It's really just for fun.

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01-29-2018 , 08:55 PM

#24

childishnes

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Originally Posted by dmccoy87

Yeah so here I straddle for fun thought I’d give it a try. Also, at the casino where I play you can only straddle utg.

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