Yeah man... You definitely have FPS. This hand should look something like this...

Hero raise pre-flop to $15, gets 2-3 calls.

Hero bet's the flop for 2/3 pot, gets 1-2 calls.

Hero hate's the turn card, but still bet's like 1/2 pot to get value from Qx and deny drawing odds to gutshot's/two pairs/un improved PP's. Get's calls/folds...

Hero will have a hard time extracting value from weaker OTR with a bet, so either bet's small so that weak hands can call, or c/c to induce a bluff depending on who is still in the hand. If the drunk will call down with Qx, just bet.

When you check the flop, isn't it for deception so you obviously call here.

In an SPR ~2 pot (where we are fully committed with our TP) on a board that isn't terribly drawy, against a guy who is betting 90% of the time when checked to and trying to push players off hands, I actually have no problem with the flop play. Letting him attempt to push us off our KK/JJ is fine, imo.

(won't comment on the rest of the hand, I found the HH a little hard to follow)

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When I checked the flop, I originally thought V1 would bet for me. After the hand I thought it might be alright to check or bet this flop and I got unlucky by V1 not betting for me. I now see that because of my re raise pre flop I can't expect a bet 90% of the time if I check on the flop.

Because of my check on the flop I now have some hands in my opponent’s range that I can beat and that V2 might think are good. Qx and pocket pairs JJ – 55. These hands are not very likely but there is a chance that V2 could be betting one of these hands and think it is good. Agree?

Also because of my check on the Flop there are all of the Ax hands that split the pot with me that could be betting the river. I feel that these hands make up a large percentage of my opponents range. Agree?

By adding an element of deception into the pot, I made the pot more difficult for myself.

The hands that beat me in the range I assigned to my opponent are AQ, A3, A4, Q3, 33 & 44. I feel that these hands are as about as likely to show up as the Qx and JJ-55 hands.

So at this point being very tired, this was my thinking. The hands I beat cancel out the hands I lose to, so it is kind of a wash. All the other hands I split the pot. So I have to call. Most of the time I split (and end up a little ahead w ½ of V1’s money that is in the pot) and smaller percentage of the time I flip a coin to end up with a stack of ~$150 or ~$900.

Does anyone agree/disagree with this line of thinking? What is the math on this one?

No. You limp re-raised/3-bet preflop. What hands are in your l/rr range that allow pocket 7's to think they're ahead on AQ3?

Pre flop

V1 blind raises to $15, V2 calls $15, Hero re raises to $66 w AJo, V1 calls, V2 (tanks 3 min) calls

flop : Pot ~$200

A Q 3 (rainbow)

V2 checks, Hero checks hoping to re raise again, V1 checks

turn : Pot~$200

3 (completing the rainbow)

V2 bets ~$75, Hero Calls, V1 folds

river : Pot~$350

4

V1 bets ~$210
Hero…?

The same hands type of hands, maybe re raising light to isolate the drunk, maybe the check on the flop. Not saying these hands are likely, just saying I can't totally dismiss them, just like I can't totally dismiss AQ even though I don't believe he can have it the way the hand played out. However, I do agree that the way I played the hand made it a lot easier for my opponent to put me on a range than the other way around. That is if he is capable of doing so.

I feel we were committed on the flop when we flopped TPGK in a small SPR pot. The turn means we're only chopping with other Aces (the Q on board plays), so calling off these big bets ain't awesome since all we are probably doing at best is chopping, but I'm not sure what else we can do, especially after we intentionally showed weakness on the flop.

Gsighcallingdown,imoG

I highly doubt it, but if there is any chance he will fold, just shove and rep AQ or AK. I just can't imagine what else to do except call -- seems you are splitting either way, but maybe you'll get lucky

I agree that this hand was a bit of fps. When you are waiting for an opportunity like this, play it straight.

Grunch: If V1 is calling all raises, you want to blast V2 out of the pot, so raise super ridiculously big -- like $100 or whatever. As played, I'm doing $120 now intending to jam all turns.

Flop check is actually fine. The board is dry and if you're wrong and it checks through you can still get stacks in over two streets, which is perfectly acceptable.

I would click turn back to $175. I don't think that V1 is folding any hand to a minraise that he'd overcall with, and if V2 has something like KJ/JT he has to come along because pot odds.

Overall, it's incredibly hard to lose value with SPR = 2 in a bone-dry flop with TPGK facing two wide ranges. Unless you did something preposterous like check it down or make gross underbets, it's not happening.

V2 come along because of pot odds with KJ and JT?

$200 + $75 +$75 = $350

$350/$75 to call... = 4.6:1

4 outs out of 46 unseen cards...

46/4 = 11.5:1

Calling the turn with a gut shot looks like it would be horrible even if we just call let alone raise. Not getting close to the correct explicit odds and any implied odds will likely be reversed on an AQ33K or AQ33T board given the action. I'm not sure why you would think that V1 would continue with anything less than Ax+ if we raise.

Edit: Either you or I are mixing up V1 and V2 I think... But yeah, either way I don't think either player will continue with a gut shot if we raise.

You are being laid 2.6:1 OTR so you need to be good here 1 out of 3.6 times.

honestly I'm not sure if this is a bluff, a value bet or a button click but I think there are enough hands in villains range that we beat more than a third of the time. I would need info about villain river tendencies to fold here. Such as he doesn't valuebet thin and he rarely bluffs. In that instance I think a fold would be correct.

Obv not raising since nothing we beat can call.

Pre flop

V1 (Drunk) blind raises to $15, V2 calls $15, Hero re raises to $66 w AJo, V1 (Drunk)calls, V2 (tanks 3 min) calls

flop : Pot ~$200

A Q 3 (rainbow)

V2 (tanked Pre) checks, Hero checks hoping to re raise again, V1 (Drunk) checks

turn : Pot~$200

3 (completing the rainbow)

V2 (tanked Pre) bets ~$75, Hero Calls, V1 (drunk)folds

river : Pot~$350

4

V2 (tanked Pre) bets ~$210
Hero…?
Hero at this point realized he stayed to long, brain isn’t working right, feels he made a mistake somewhere in this hand but not sure where, on the flop? Feels he has to call, Feels he can’t raise or fold. Decides win or lose he needs to leave shortly after this hand since he is too tired to play well.
Hero Calls ~$210
V2 shows 3c4c for full house and scoops pot.
Hero picks up ~$150 and cashes out.

Yep... giving free cards sucks.

I think the lesson is that most of the time playing our hand straight forward for value at 1/2 is best. We are getting called by 23 and whatever the drunk shows up with pre. We bet our hands for value. Even tho it might seem way ahead way behind it's often not because they are so bad they are calling with all sorts of crap that will frequently only give good action if it improves so just bet/fold bet/fold.

I will ask though if you frequently slow play value hands? If so and they think you will stack off, you are losing value AND possibly encouraging guys to take long shots (maybe correctly) at your stack with implied odds hands.

Also pay attention to villain river betting tendencies. Is this guy ever betting thinly or as a bluff here?

Bet your hand is my advice in these games.

My plan was to bet all three streets, but one piece of information i was missing messed up that plan. At the time I thought that V1 would bet the flop if I checked into him. I was tired and missed the fact that he might slow down because re raised pre. I was counting on him betting on the flop which he was doing 90% of the time, but I didn't put "two and two" together.

Maybe the 10% of flops he wasn't betting were the pots he was reraised or someone else lead out huge. I didn't pay enough attention to what he did on the flop when he wasn't "in control" of the pot on the flop.

Once the turn hits and paired board (tons of hands now split) and V2 betting into me my plan of betting the rest of the way... ugh

v2 had bluffed river and also bet thin on the river, just never at v1 (drunk). But at this point V1 is no longer in the hand.

Also i only usually slow play flopped nut flushes and full houses or better

Yeah I was only mentioning it because for v2 to call here with 23 means he's kind of terribad which wasn't indicated in your op or somehow he thought he could profitably play the hand vs you which I think is a stretch.