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Did I get owned here or accidentally lost to terrible play at 1-2-5? Did I get owned here or accidentally lost to terrible play at 1-2-5?

04-24-2019 , 01:21 AM
Playing 1/2 winner from previous hand must straddle. I’m straddling from bb, reg utg1 makes it 15 with about 410 back (I cover), folds around to me with akss, I flat. Flop A74hhh. Chk, 15, 40, call. Turn Jd, check, 40, call. River 4d. I bet 150, he shoves for 325. I fold and he shows kjo.

When I check raise flop and check call turn I feel like my range is 22-88, all king queen and jack high fds, ax, and a few sevens. When I bet 150 into 190 does it make any sense for him to shove kj which is successfully bluff catching a huge part of my range and only getting me to fold out a couple aces?

Am I missing something here?
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04-24-2019 , 01:27 AM
Your check raise flop and check call turn range includes 22-88 and all KQ?

???
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04-24-2019 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Your check raise flop and check call turn range includes 22-88 and all KQ?

???
Sorry clearly didn’t think that fully through as I’m typing this from table. No, probably only includes the 44, 77, and 88 with heart. And I didn’t mean to say all kq, meant kx, qx, and jx with high card heart.
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04-24-2019 , 02:06 AM
3! pre.

As played, I hate the flop x/r.
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04-24-2019 , 03:43 AM
Why no 3bet pre? Why c/r flop? Why 150 river?

Only street I like is the turn.
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04-24-2019 , 07:38 AM
You owned yourself here more than V owned you.
3! pre, bet flop, x/c turn is fine, but you can’t lead that river, you need to x/c again.
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04-24-2019 , 07:45 AM
Was his k the kh?

Either way your line is really strange. I don't see someone ever take that line with exception of 77 or 44 MAYBE. So when the 4 pairs you essentially have 4 value hands that play this way, so in theory a bluff is pretty easy for him when you are so polarized, assuming he has the stones to actually do it here (which he does).
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04-24-2019 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
Why no 3bet pre? Why c/r flop? Why 150 river?

Only street I like is the turn.
I probably 3b pre 60/40 here. I like to mix in the flat in this specific HU spot since my hand is so under rep'd that I have found I can easily gain ev on ace high flops where villain just never thinks I have a strong ace. I'm also check raising most flops with a suit. Depends on player and table image at the time. I'm likely always 3betting the stations and players who wont bluff more than one street.

The more I thought about this spot, I hate the c/r flop. Also, makes turn and river spots much tougher.

I bet 150 on river because I felt it was appropriate sizing for my entire range here. I show up with a lot of missed flushes and not too many nutted hands (44/77/A4). Also, AK shouldn't be in my range here so if villain has an ace he is only losing to AQ/AJ and chopping vs rest of my aces. I thought 150 looked bluffy and I didn't want to block bet river to open the door for the reg to shove only for the reason that my bet looked like a block (which may be a terrible way to think about that spot but I can't quite figure out how to rationalize it).

Last edited by cito; 04-24-2019 at 08:58 AM.
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04-24-2019 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by El Barbero
Was his k the kh?

Either way your line is really strange. I don't see someone ever take that line with exception of 77 or 44 MAYBE. So when the 4 pairs you essentially have 4 value hands that play this way, so in theory a bluff is pretty easy for him when you are so polarized, assuming he has the stones to actually do it here (which he does).
See, I thought Villain could still give me credit on the river for some flopped flushes, making his river bluff a bit tougher. Why would you say my line doesn't include hands like 89hh-QJhh?
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04-24-2019 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by cito
See, I thought Villain could still give me credit on the river for some flopped flushes, making his river bluff a bit tougher. Why would you say my line doesn't include hands like 89hh-QJhh?
Would you take a c/r, c/c line with those hands?

Most everyone I see who c/r a monotone flop with a made flush just leads the turn.

Your c/r, c/c line looks dumb to me. If I'm villain and you c/r flop then c/c turn I assume you had a good made hand that isn't a made flush, or some draw, throw in a few random spewy plans to bluff the river. Given you didn't 3! Pre I discount AA, so that leaves 77, 44, and some random spewy bluffs. Maybe KhJo type hand. I don't even think A7 takes this line often.

So if you now lead the river when the 4 pairs it's an easy bluff raise for me (specially if I don't have Kh in my hand) given how small your value range is.
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04-24-2019 , 05:38 PM
Think this is a mandatory 3bet pre, especially so in a straddled pot.
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04-24-2019 , 06:57 PM
I'm assuming your goal was to take every possible action in a single hand (check, bet, raise, call, fold) since that's the only possible explanation I can find for why you played it this way. So, nice hand well played.
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04-25-2019 , 10:19 AM
I agree you more owned yourself, though good for V for seeing the line and exploiting it.
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04-25-2019 , 08:01 PM
Wait. Is the flop x/r that bad? There are many Kxh Qxh maybe even Jxh that will call this as well as other paired aces. Why is this a bad spot to x/r again?
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04-26-2019 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
Wait. Is the flop x/r that bad? There are many Kxh Qxh maybe even Jxh that will call this as well as other paired aces. Why is this a bad spot to x/r again?
Partly because with the chosen sizing you gave V like 42:1 to call.
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04-26-2019 , 12:48 AM
I wont even debate your line because its all a mess.

Reraise pre.
Lead flop.
Check call turn.
Re-eval river

No reason for cute **** in this hand IMO.
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04-26-2019 , 12:53 AM
3 bet pre

i dont mind getting passive on this flop tbh, not sure what c/ring accomplishes asides from getting owned by better hands and folding out worse hands
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04-26-2019 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by cito
See, I thought Villain could still give me credit on the river for some flopped flushes, making his river bluff a bit tougher. Why would you say my line doesn't include hands like 89hh-QJhh?
If V is thinking this deep (big assumption)

89hh-QJhh is only four combos, and I would assume you take this line with those hands (c/r flop and c/c turn) only a fraction of the time, so you should hardly ever have a flush.

And if he is thinking this deep, given the action (preflop and flop) you should have a lot of Ax and not much else. You're not going to have much Jx, or 4x, you're probably never checking turn with sets or weaker flushes with 3 to a flush on the board. It's a great spot to turn Jx into a bluff and fold out weak aces (I'm not sure he expected AK to fold)

but whether he is actually a really savvy player or was just pressing buttons, you played yourself by making odd decisions on each street.
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04-27-2019 , 02:03 AM
Pretty weird spot but this reg sounds leaky. Opening kjo vs a straddle utg is pretty dodgy to begin with.

Would do much better with more normal lines and sizing. Leading river is also sketchy, you are targeting worse ax or repping missed flush that might be called weaker than that.

I dont think the fold is awful but if we walk it back we need to question why villain isnt putting in more money before the river with some of the better value hands he could now raise.
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