1/2 Straddle on utg+2 raises to 20(550), MP calls(500), I look down at 4s4c and call on c/o(300). Everyone else folds. I have no reads as I'm new to table.

Flop 10h 5c 4h
Utg+2 bets 35
Mp folds
I raise to 85
Villain calls

Turn 5d

Villain checks. I bet 100
Villain calls

River Ah

Villain shoves. I tank call.
He shows Kh9h for the flush. I table my low full house. He says what are u waiting for. In my mind my hand isn't instacall without the nuts or near it. He goes on berating me the rest of the session saying I slow rolled him.

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if u tanked after he showed the flush its a slowroll, this is just a nit roll and nothing to feel even remotely bad about

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This is a slowroll. You should rarely be losing here.

No, you didn't slow roll. It was a bad shove on his part. He's angry about that, so he's going to take it out on you.

That said, you had no real decision to make on the river. If you're folding a FH getting 5:1 on the river, you should quit playing until you get over your case of MUBS. This is a snap call.

I forgot to add, villain instacalled my turn bet then instabet the river. All within a second. It through me off. I was shocked. I was calling 100%, just it wasn't a snap call on my end.

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I'm generally a fast roller but when I tank call I'm making sure I'm good before I show. If it looks like a nit role to an unthinking player I don't sweat it at all but I will offer a friendly apology if I truly looked like I was slow rolling. But I still don't sweat it. It's about intent and with few exceptions I intend to showdown gracefully.

I played with a 21 y/o kid about a month ago who got in trouble with the table for doing something similar. He didn't just do it once, he did it three times.

The first time, he had the 2nd nut full house and was facing a smallish all-in river bet. He got up out of his chair, took 5 minutes, and then acted like he was making a crying call. The table was like "wtf were you thinking about"?

The 2nd time, he had the 2nd nut full house and was facing a smallish all-in river bet. He got up out of his chair, etc, etc and called. The table was like "dude, that's a borderline slow roll when you do that". No one is ever folding that hand to that bet.

The 3rd time he was facing an all-in bet, he got up out of his chair to think and the table screamed at him, "Dude, we know you have the near nuts. Just f*cking call!" Of course he did...and he did.

There's nothing wrong with thinking about a decision if you're not sure about it. If you've got a multi-hundred dollar decision, you should take your time. If that dude started bitching at me for slowrolling, I would have slowrolled him for real.

Yes it's a slowroll/nitroll. You are never folding there, and you know it. You weren't sitting there calculating how often he needs to be bluffing etc, you were just frightened you got coolered, and didnt want to face up to possible bad news. It's not even a big bet. Snapcall, next hand please, live poker is slow enough as it is.

tell him you put him on pocket tens and almost folded but he gave away a tell so you knew it was just a flush. Just pound him on the head with a frying pan, he asked for it.

He thought he was good when you tanked. It's happened to me many times, he just needs to learn how to move past it.

This is a nit roll. Different than a slow roll.

Correct -- you are a nit, not an @sshole.

A slowroll must come with some type of intent, imo.
Genuinely thinking (even if didn't require it) = not a slowroll.

Tanking the call is a bit iffy but the 'roll' itself is not. I ALWAYS want to see what I was up against. If a player is first to show and its a reg or early in my session then I make him show. Some can view that as a bad thing if you are holding a top 3 hand based on the board but too bad .. I want to see what you are shoving with against me for future hands.

As far as tanking the call ... It depends on how long you took and if you actually thought he might have TT or 55. The way he played the hand I could put him on TT.

What did he think you were raising the Flop with? Overpair? AT? Dont worry he is just upset that he shoved with a dead hand .. GL

If you're deeper, it's ok to think the river out for a few seconds. Given u had less than 100 left and the pot was over 500 this should have been a snap call. But who cares about whether or not you slow rolled? You left an awkward stack of 95 left with a 410 pot on the river.

Your pf call is a little questionable for only 15x implied odds. Once you hit your set and face the flop bet, you should be planning to get your stack in by the turn. Make the flop 100-115 and shove the turn.

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if we were deep and you led out and got raised on this river, any good player is tanking here, and if deep enough could even lay it down to the right person or situation.

It's not like he had broadway on a rainbow board. He had the lower f/u. Some people will never raise a three suited paired board w/o a f/u.

There was a kid like that I used to play with at the Commerce. Just really stupid stuff like hemming and hawing about calling an all-in preflop with AA closing the action. The problem is when you Hollywood too much people will start calling clock on you when you have a legitimate tough decision. Anyways, sadly for everyone elses winrate the kid is busto now.

Please include pot sizes so it's easier to follow the betting.

I'm probably folding this preflop for 6.7% of my stack. Perhaps I'd call in a pot with no straddle, when the raise is more likely to be standard.

I support raising the flop, but I would make it more; probably at least 100.

Since you made a full house on the turn, I don't mind betting less than you would if the board had not paired. 100 is ok as played.

According to my calculations, there is 418 in the pot and Villain is shoving your remaining 95. Therefore, it's 95 to win 513, or 5.4:1. At that price, I think it's pretty trivial. In fact, when we get to the river, I'm probably already confident that all the money is going in. No river card is going to change that, although a ten or the case five might give me pause.

However, there is nothing wrong with carefully considering the situation before acting. Don't make snap decisions.

Politely tell him you didn't intentionally slowroll him, if you wish, and leave it at that. Don't get into a debate about it, and definitely don't start analyzing the hand with him. It's over. You won. There was no malicious intent. It's his problem. If he keeps running his mouth about it, ignore him.

You're not obligated to snap-call. Take your time and make the correct decision. As long as you're not unreasonably and repeatedly holding up the game, it's not a problem.

Nit roll, you never fold that deep... It's a type of slow roll yeah

Exactly. Many poker players are equivalent to 5-year-olds from an emotional maturity standpoint when they are at the table.

He's mad that he lost, and since it doesn't make much sense to blame the dealer, he has to find someone else to be angry at.