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04-10-2018 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I would typically raise, especially the shorterstacked I am (and thus the more comfortable I am committing with TP postflop).

However, I'm never looking for 5 callers and will size accordingly. In fact, in most games it's probably in my best interest to end the hand preflop and take the 6.5 bbs in the pot unraked (which will likely be more profitable, on average, than any other result).

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Forgot to add a key condition - What do you do if you know that they will all call 100% of the time?
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04-10-2018 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Chumbardo
Forgot to add a key condition - What do you do if you know that they will all call 100% of the time?
I'd overlimp for reasons I gave above.

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04-10-2018 , 04:36 PM
glad to see the topic brought up a good discussion

thanks everybody for the feedback

I email bart hanson (regular on live at the bike) on a weekly basis to go over hands and topic discussion

short version of what he said

"the answer to that question is definitely yes. This is one of the more common questions that I get and my approach to these situations is that once two people have limped in in front of you default to your EP raising range (88 or 99+, ATs+, KQ+) and over-limp every thing else that you want to play".

ofcourse this is only applied if villains are limping strong ranges
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04-11-2018 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Chumbardo
Forgot to add a key condition - What do you do if you know that they will all call 100% of the time?
Go all in and ride the variance train when you're good enough vs. their range

Seriously, though, if they call really wide for $15-$20, raise a relatively tight range up to eye watering amounts and print money in this easy of a game.
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04-11-2018 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by The Rumor
Go all in and ride the variance train when you're good enough vs. their range

Seriously, though, if they call really wide for $15-$20, raise a relatively tight range up to eye watering amounts and print money in this easy of a game.
Do this if your bankroll is 100 buy-ins.

Most people do not go to the casino at 1/2 with $30,000 handy (as a general rule, this is an issue people need to make contact with in all theoretical discussions of establishing bluff shove situations and and 4-bet bluff GTO strategies, etc.). It always sounds good except that it is difficult to implement when you have finite money.
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04-12-2018 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by cmc0605
Do this if your bankroll is 100 buy-ins.

Most people do not go to the casino at 1/2 with $30,000 handy (as a general rule, this is an issue people need to make contact with in all theoretical discussions of establishing bluff shove situations and and 4-bet bluff GTO strategies, etc.). It always sounds good except that it is difficult to implement when you have finite money.
This isn't really the point of my post, so I don't want to derail, but we're talking about how to play preflop and maximize EV. I will say I disagree with your point - this game is going to be pretty volatile anyway. Why not focus the volatility on hands where you are a clear favorite? It's fine to limp some speculative stuff in a game like this to get paid (A3ss) but the real value comes from getting an SPR of 4 and $70 in a pot when you hold AK, QQ, etc.

Last edited by The Rumor; 04-12-2018 at 02:50 PM.
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04-16-2018 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Why do you think you need to get your stack in by the river to play a hand profitably?

Someone told me you cant limp Axs profitably in EP at 2/5. Of course I accepted the challenge. Results for the last 149 times I limped A9s or lower in the first 3 positions:

+$925

I had 2 pots that got all in before the river and I won $95 more than my equity in those hands so lets call it +$835.

That's +$5.60 per hand including all the times I folded to a raise after limping. I included results of every time I limped in that situation. If you keep track of any kind of things like these, you know that $5.60 profit per hand is damned good especially playing OOP.
how can you remember this datas about a live game so clearly?
do you use to track and record any hand you play or what else?
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04-16-2018 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by emaruggiero1
how can you remember this datas about a live game so clearly?
do you use to track and record any hand you play or what else?
As I said, a friend told me it wasnt profitable to limp suited aces in EP and I disagreed so I decided to find out for sure and I recorded the results every time I limped in the first 3 positions with a suited ace where my kicker was 9 or lower.

Its not hard, it happens maybe once or twice a session. I just put a note on my phone. If I limp and fold the flop I just note 1 limp and -$5. If I limp and win $40. I note that. Very simple.
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04-16-2018 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
As I said, a friend told me it wasnt profitable to limp suited aces in EP and I disagreed so I decided to find out for sure and I recorded the results every time I limped in the first 3 positions with a suited ace where my kicker was 9 or lower.

Its not hard, it happens maybe once or twice a session. I just put a note on my phone. If I limp and fold the flop I just note 1 limp and -$5. If I limp and win $40. I note that. Very simple.
Sure, if you focus just on 1 thing, you can easily record it. Same thing I started doing lately trying to track everytime I hit a set and how many times do I witness a set/overset at my table even if I'm not involved in the hand, just to have an idea of how frequently it happens and not overthink in some thought spots
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