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09-22-2018 , 12:02 AM

twitcherroo

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$1/3 drunk action filled Friday night game. No players at table to worry about. Most stacks $250-500.

H ($285) button straddles to $6 and has 3c5c. Gets raised to $30. 3 callers. Both blinds limped and will call the $30. No risk of reraise. 3c5c is crap, but man... $25 into basically $155 to see a flop. No FE 6 ways so a move here is out of the question. Do we lay it down or flat?

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09-22-2018 , 12:32 AM

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It doesn't seem like you're deep enough to continue.

OTOH, how drunk were you?

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09-22-2018 , 01:40 AM

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there is always a risk of a limp reraise in a drunk action game and there's always the chance that the blinds fold, so your math is unreliable.

and you have 5 high.

fold

or....

these guys are full of ****, nobody has anything, there's about $100 of dead money, you have position and 40% of a straight flush. Raise.

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09-22-2018 , 07:43 AM

ImAllInNow

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fold it. If the raise was to $20 you could call probably, but not a 5x raise.

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09-22-2018 , 10:37 AM

QuadJ

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Trivial fold. With SPRs in that range the only things worth playing are hands you can shove preflop (AK/AQs/big pairs) and set mining (middle/low pairs).

Even beyond that 53s is rarely worth playing because it makes the second bet straight/flush too often.

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09-22-2018 , 02:26 PM

ImAllInNow

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Originally Posted by QuadJ

Even beyond that 53s is rarely worth playing because it makes the second bet straight/flush too often.

Not that I love 53s or anything, but how could it make a second best straight? 467 flop isn't going to run into 85s very often.

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09-22-2018 , 03:36 PM

twitcherroo

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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow

fold it. If the raise was to $20 you could call probably, but not a 5x raise.

I believe that’s the right answer. At $30, where do think the bottom of out calling range sits?

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09-22-2018 , 03:55 PM

QuadJ

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Not that I love 53s or anything, but how could it make a second best straight? 467 flop isn't going to run into 85s very often.

Well yes, your not likely to flop the second best straight. I was talking about the situation when you get to the river. It's more likely people are drawing to a better straight and you don't block the cards they need much.

On a 467 board any run out with a 5, 8, 9 or T is dangerous. More commonly though you have situations where you get something like 468 or a 4 card board like 2478 and you have no idea what cards are good/safe for you.

Compare that to T8 on a 976 board. The only 2 really bad cards are a T or 8 and you block both of those.

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09-22-2018 , 04:49 PM

ImAllInNow

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On a 467 board any run out with a 5, 8, 9 or T is dangerous. More commonly though you have situations where you get something like 468 or a 4 card board like 2478 and you have no idea what cards are good/safe for you.

Compare that to T8 on a 976 board. The only 2 really bad cards are a T or 8 and you block both of those.

I see, makes sense. Although I would argue T8 has the same problem on a QJ9 board and is more often up against KT in that case.

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09-22-2018 , 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by twitcherroo

Pot odds don’t really work that way, even though everybody thinks they do. The odds don’t look so good when you realize you have to beat six other people who all probably have better hands than you. Your hand rarely makes the nuts in a multiway pot.

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