Deepstack, top set multiway questionable play
Join Date: Sep 2020
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Live. Amounts converted from RMB to USD hence odd decimals. Please forgive.
Blinds .75 /1.50 cent. 7 handed.
Villain is new to table. Sits down with more than enough to cover everyone at the table. I'm effective stack with 500bb. In his first rotation or so, he saw me make a massive 4 bet bluff on flop for stacks after limp raising his button preflop-- got the fold and showed it.
Hyper LAG, good instincts, puts pressure on people, no live reads as he was new to table. Plays around 50% of pots. Routinely straddles. Often bumps it. Seemed to be after me after hand described above.
Hero makes table standard raise UTG $8.25 with 99s.
MP calls.
CO calls (main villain).
BB calls.
Flop 9d7s6h ($34)
Check
Hero bets $16
Fold
Villain raises to $48
Fold
Hero calls
Turn Kc ($129)
Hero checks
Villain bets $102
Hero calls
River 6d ($334)
Hero checks
Villain bets $229
Hero shoves for $202 more
Thoughts on line?
First, how bad were my calls on the flop and turn? After the hand I bluffed him, I expected him to make moves. My first late position raise after that bluff, he 4X my raise from the big blind with 62 suited and had to show it as a short stack shoved on him for a little more.
Secondly, if we were villain, would we have to call? I've found myself in similar situations as villain and sometimes I didn't lay it down but given our stack depths, I wonder if the argument is stronger for checking the river or betting less planning to fold to a shove even if one suspects villain of being capable of a bluff river check-raise all in having never seen him do it.
Last edited by Garick; 09-10-2020 at 09:15 AM.
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Join Date: Apr 2017
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Seems fine to me as an exploitative line. Flop topset, bets it and letting villain barrell off with whatever he have. If you got the read that he is gonna make moves on you, this is kind of the dream spot flopping topset and getting raised by him.
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It can be hard to check that river. Well done. Nicely played.
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I don't like showing the bluff in the history hand. You have to know how folks will react to something like that and have a specific plan for exploiting it before that's a good idea.
Definitely like the flop and turn calls. Raising likely gets rid of his bluffs. Against average Vs, I re-raise flop, as most LLSNL Vs have no rase/fold range OTF. CRAI OTR is fine if you are confident in your hyperlag read. Against most Vs, again, I'd fear this checking through after the scare card hits. As for him calling... depends on his holding. Obv all of his underboats will call, and probably flopped straits will sigh/call. Trips with a good kicker... maybe.
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Seems good to me. I think it’s close to perfect honestly.
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I love the fact that you didn’t donk the river. That already makes you better than like 90% of live players.
With no FD on the flop, this guy is going to show up with a strong hand (6’s full, 7’s full, straights, etc) or nothing a lot of the time. Even a counterfeited flopped top two may just fold to a donk. So there’s really not a lot of danger in this one checking through. So by checking, we at least get value from his bluffs.
So good job.
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I think you played it pretty much perfect, flatting the 3x flop raise keeps all the bluffs in, along with flatting the turn and river. The river is dreamy as you now only lose to 1 combo of 66 (which is in V's range due to the action) & 3 combos of KK (which shouldn't be in V's range due to preflop acton), but you have destroyed his 77/67s/CTB combos. I don't think V is betting around 2/3 pot with a flopped straight on the river and on a paired board. If V shows KK, I'd leave the table.
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I think the line is creative if not a bit imbalanced. I'm a big fan of playing the same way all the time. You already suspect he's on tilt, plus you showed a big bluff, and he's playing back at you on a draw heavy board. So he either has a draw that he'll probably commit with, or he thinks you do and he can beat it. I dont like to really change gears unless there's some major new element at the table like a crazy maniac or huge whale. There's a saying that all flop 3bets are bluffs, so sell it.
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