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Deepstack 2/5 line check: turn underpair into bluff in 3bet pot? Deepstack 2/5 line check: turn underpair into bluff in 3bet pot?

12-17-2014 , 04:01 PM
Hero: Young Asian male. Solid tight-aggressive player. Sat down at table a couple hours ago, hasn't played any big pots. Has been fairly chatty and friendly. Raised preflop and cbet a few times, but got caught in the last two hands, so image is a little weak probably.

Villain 1: Middle age Asian male, very good player. Sees a lot of flops for cheap, and plays well postflop. Creative, will take some unorthodox lines, make big folds, stab at certain pots, etc.

Villain 2: Aggro fish. Sees most flops, tends to overplay hands. Will peel very light on the flop sometimes.

SB is a loose passive fit-or-fold fish.

$2/5 NL $800 max Derby Lane

SB ($480)
BB
UTG
UTG +1
UGT +2 Villain 1 ($800)
MP
MP2 Villain 2 ($1000)
LP
Button ($800)

Hero is dealt 88

UTG, UTG +1, and Villain 1 limp, MP nitty Asian woman makes it 20, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG + 1 folds, Villain 1 raises to $80, woman folds, Villain 2, hero, and SB call.

Flop ($365): AQ5

Villain 1 leads out $125, Villain 3 flats, Hero tank raises to $300.

Just looking for a line check. Good spot to bluff? Villain 1's limp after 2 limpers and small reraise sizing makes me think he doesn't have a premium. When villain 2 doesn't raise the flop, he's also probably not willing to commit his stack. I know I have basically no equity if I get called, but it's $300 to win $615, and I think I do get through on the flop 1/3 of the time at least. So is my play spazz or shark? Thoughts?

I will post results in a couple of days.
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12-17-2014 , 04:08 PM
I hate it against two people.
You will almost never take the pot right now.
Esp with your sizing.

If you were 1k deep also, then maybe we can think about it just to set up a turn shove for $600 into $1k to hope they don't want to call that much, but since it's only going to be ~400 more on the turn, you have no FE there. I think that people peel too often here for this to be profitable on the flop by it self, and we don't have a good next move when we are called.
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12-17-2014 , 04:10 PM
Villain 1 limp implies (no guarantee but most of the time he won't limp with premiums) we can squeeze him. Other Villain flatting implies the same.

High variance unless our reads our good, then it's super +EV IMO.
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12-17-2014 , 04:35 PM
I don't like it, but I hope it worked. What are you repping? I guess you could be repping a set of 5s or maybe AQ or A5, but would you call pre with AQ or A5? Seems as if you just hope they don't actually have an A or a big flush draw, neither of which I think they are folding for the price you gave them.
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12-17-2014 , 04:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
I hate it against two people.
You will almost never take the pot right now.
Esp with your sizing.

If you were 1k deep also, then maybe we can think about it just to set up a turn shove for $600 into $1k to hope they don't want to call that much, but since it's only going to be ~400 more on the turn, you have no FE there. I think that people peel too often here for this to be profitable on the flop by it self, and we don't have a good next move when we are called.
Stack size means draws may be priced in to call even on blank turns.
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12-18-2014 , 03:13 AM
Agree. You're going to need to have a close to pot sized shove on the turn . They will have to be able to give you credit to call with aq pre because you're only prepping that 55 and fd. (Even tho idk what flush draw combos you can have in this pot )
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12-18-2014 , 03:14 AM
And when they call the flop, you're trying to get them to fold what Ak? Or were you just stabbing once and giving up was the plan?
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12-18-2014 , 08:23 AM
I personally dont like it. Your only repping 55... Cause you cant rep any flush draws as there are no combos that are in your range. I cant see him folding an Ace often enough here.
-EV play i feel...
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12-18-2014 , 09:26 AM
Solid player raises the table, fit fold fish
Tags along
He probly wants to keep you guys in the pot
You have been cbetting in possibly the wromg spots
And now want to spew your stack
Maybe he has a read thus betting low

I understand you have a read but this is a passive fish here
Who might not raise if he is strong
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