9 players. 1-3 NL

Players in the hand:

• Drunk Lagtard #1: Has been opening $20-$45 pre-flop with practically all hands, all night. Will c-bet most of the time. Stuck in the game for ~$3K at this point.
• Lagtard #2: Opens less often, but will limp call large pre-flop bets with weak holdings. Plays a lot of hands. Will float, or check raise a c-bet most of the time. Busted out earlier in the night, then came back a few hours later to play again.
• Nit: Has been playing very few hands. Probably trying to trap, as most of the other players were doing.
• Hero: Fairly TAG image, playing 1-2 hands per orbit, usually opening pre-flop $15-$20 in position. C-bets most of the time for 1/2 - 2/3 of the pot.

Stacks:
Lagtard #2 (EP): $1095
Hero (MP): $995
Nit (CO): $800
Lagtard #1 (BTN): $725

Pre Flop:
Lagtard #1: Button straddles for $15
SB: Fold
BB: Fold
Lagtard #2: Limp for $15
Hero: Limp for $15 with A 3
Nit: Limp for $15
Lagtard #1: Raises to $55
Lagtard #2: Calls
Hero: Calls
Nit: Calls

Flop:
($220.00) Q 9 8 (4 players)
All: Checks to BTN
Lagtard #1: Goes all-in for $670
Lagtard #2: Thinks for a little while, then calls
Hero: Tanks for a long time, then goes all-in for $945
Nit: Folds
Lagtard #2: Actually thinks for a little while before calling


Should I have folded pre-flop here and looked for a better spot?

Should I have raised all in on the flop, or just called?

I'll post results after some discussion.

Fold pre (for $15). Straddler is going to raise virtually all of his hands and we really don´t want to pay a lot to see the flop w. A3s.

Fold the flop I guess. Bad lags make two pair and sets too. Some of our flush outs are going to be dirty here a fair amount of the time.

With A3s, the proper advice IMO is to not get yourself here in the first place

fold pre the first time

OMG.. That is one hell of a hand!! Folding pre certainly was an option. But, if you want their stacks, you have to be in the pot, right?

Worse case you are up against There are four diamonds dead in other peoples hands. And the K and 8 COULD give someone else the straight flush (not that it really matters, as there are no RIO since you are all in).

I plugged in some hands.. Worst case you have 13% equity.

Worst case - 13% if against KKd vs. QQd vs. JdTd
Best realistic case - 26% if against KK(no diamong) vs. QQ (no diamond) vs JT (no diamond)

A few others 32% vs. 89, jj, kk, and all the way up at 38% vs. KdQd, JJ, KQ

with the 220 dead money already in there your probably flipping a coin if to get your 23% equity needed..

Hope it ended well!

Fold at every point during this hand.

Preflop we're out of position against the maniacs, and with a hand like A3, this is not good, ESPECIALLY if hte straddler is raising pf a lot. I know it's suited but just let it go. We don't want to put in ~20bb preflop with A3.

As played, there is $220 in the pot, and there is a bet of $670 and a call in front of us. We have to assume there will be no more action behind us because calling this bet would be insane with anything other than a set of JT, but it's possible.

Getting ~2.3 to 1, this is probably still a fold, against a range of 2p+.

Why are we not limp/reraising here pre? The only player we're really afraid of is the nit. But nits are gonna nit and he'll let us know if he has a hand. Other than that, you just have to barrel against LAGs. Everyone is waiting for a monster against them. They probably realize that, so make your hand a monster...

Best option is to fold. Against that type of opponent your hand plays bad. Generally you will miss, sometimes you will be stuck on the flop with a weak ace facing big bets and best case scenario is what u flopped wich will force you to gamble. FOLD PRE.

As second option raise. If u think the 55$ raise is weak and has fold equity. Make it like 300$ pre. High variance but is better than calling.

I'd fold pre as well. Middle position with a suited ace. I'd probably fold. Since lagtard #1 had btn and straddled, he probably will raise with any two cards.

I'd personally would rather play this had aggressively, not limping but raising and from position.

AP, I'd probably fold flop and cry should a diamond fold. You might not have 9 outs but only 7

No. No. No!

~2.3:1=30% equity needed, we have 32% against 2p+

welcome to two plus two

fold pre to the straddle

the rest is a gamble

This game sounds amazing, what a dream. I would get it in here too. Sometimes you gotta gamble with the drunks.

Thanks for the discussion everyone. Thinking back on this hand, I would agree with those that said I should probably have folded, or limp raised the pre-flop. At first, I thought I might trap myself against the nit with the limp raise, but in hindsight, he would have probably raised before it got to the button with any strong holdings AK, AQ, TT+. Just calling was probably the worst way to play this hand, being out of position of 2 players.

Results:

Lagtard #1: showed 10 7
Lagtard #2: showed 8 5 (not a typo)
Nit: mucked, but later showed A J

All diamonds and any A were live.

I love this game.

Turn:
4

River:
K

Lagtard #2 wins with pair 8's.

Raising pre is actually an option here, as it probably freezes the straddler from getting TOO fancy. You make it $50 pre and they all probably just call giving you initiative in the hand, then you hit a flop like this and cbet/get it in. As played calling isnt terrible since we are deep enough and I assume pots get big quickly to make it worth our awhile. On a Q98 board I dont expect anyone to fold to a check-raise or anything so I'd just go ahead and play it passively and hope to hit. I definitely dont like shoving over the 2 allins that basically went in before us, since quite often we'll be up against other flush draws and lose to a random pair.

Sick call #2