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V1: MAWG, but classic degen gambler. Has been playing with hero for about 4 hours and has made some very questionable moves. Probably feels that hero is too tight. Here are two biggest hands played with hero to date:

V1 calls in MP to an open of $15, 6 callers including hero in SB. Flop is K-7-6 with two spades. Checks through. Turn is a 3 and brings a diamond draw on alongside spades. Original raiser makes it $45, V1 calls, folds to hero who makes it $195. Original raiser calls all in for $200, V1 shoves for $650. Hero tank folds and V1 shows down Q7 of diamonds for second pair with turned flush draw.

V1 opens to $20 in MP, two callers. Hero makes it $150 from SB, V1 calls, limper calls behind. Flop is 9-7-6 rainbow. Hero makes it $250. V2 calls, limper calls and is all in for $220. Turn is a 3, hero checks. V1 insta shoves for $900. Hero folds and V1 shows 56 suited for the pair with double gutter.

V2 and V3 are both solid regs.

Here's the hand in question: blinds are 1/3 and stacks are $3200 effective.

V1 limps UTG+1, V2 makes it $25, hero calls on button with 3c3d. V3 raises to $80 from BB. V1 calls, V2 calls, hero calls.

Flop: 7c3s2c. Checks to hero who makes it $225. V3 folds, V1 raises to $725, V2 folds. Hero flats. Turn is Qc, V1 bets $600, hero flats. River is Ad, V1 shoves for ~$1800. Hero?

Thoughts on river as played? Thoughts on other action?

flat turn. probably fold river as played. he seems to overplay his draws from previous hnds. he called 80 pre so i think he has combo draw with SC or just JTcc KJcc etc.

i would reraise big on flop. not too big. reraise to ~$1550 and hope he spazzes.

Why not protect your stack against a player who loves to overplay his draws like this? Reraise the flop

The thinking on the flop was to keep his bluffs in, when the turn card was almost as likely to be a card that gives me a boat (7 outs) as completes a flush (8-10 depending on if he has the flush draw). Plan was to let him continue oop and shove over the top on the turn, but when the club came and he bet small i abandoned that plan. Should I have stuck with it anyway? Is the plan inherently flawed? 75% of the time I will pick up a larger pot on the turn by waiting for his bet and he'll probably still stack off on the turn with a flush draw, even though his equity went down.

1000+ bbs deep? Wowzers. I've never seen two effective stacks anywhere remotely near that in my 1/3 NL game.

Since I've never played in game this deep, I really haven't the slightest idea how players would play. I know in my normal game it would probably take most regs to have the absolute stone cold nuts + a redraw to stack off 1000 bbs postflop. But this guy... you'd know better than me.

Guy looks like he can spazz with pairs + draw, so I would probably get more money in on the drawy flop. A draw completed on the turn, so I'm probably leaning towards not getting all my money in after that.

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True, I don't mind the way you played it if you're 100% sure that he will bet 100% of turn cards.

It keeps his range as wide as 54ss and lets him spazz out.

Just unlucky that the club fell and he's now suckering you in with a lol$600 bet. Probably folding the river.

Horrid spot.

I re-raise the flop because all of his "bluffs" seem to have some equity. I want the money in when I'm good. I don't like flatting the turn just to fold the river, but I hate to pay him off. Have you seen him get to the river and bluff?

I must lead a sheltered life.

Stacks of $3200 is that in USD?

And a guy playing that deep in a really loose game still respects this forum enough to ask about the line and the play?

Easy for me to be detached.

We called with 33 and flopped our set.

GII.

With $3200 stacks there is going to be some killer variance!

I don't think I've ever seen him get to the river before, he loved to shove turn. Since we were so deep that wasn't really an option for him in this spot.

My local game plays pretty deep at low stakes and both other villains in this hand also were stacked about $3k deep. I don't personally play that deep very often which probably contributes to my uncertainty in this hand. I just was having a really good day and this was stacked deep.

Results:

why are you not clicking it back to 1475 on the flop???

as played..... damn, that is a HUGE pot for 1/3. about the biggest I have seen. I mean, 6500 is a bankroll for 1/3.

turn is a must call, he is giving you the odds to boat up.

river... fold. he has repped clubs the entire hand. He has something like KQ or KJ.

So hard to fold when you consider how spewy he has been, but that turn bet is SOOO valuey, if he is trying to bluff you out of the hand, he would have done it on the turn.

Sounds like an amazing game - I probably play it the same way on all streets, pretty gross spot.

What was his timing like for the river shove?

I think you played the hand fine. Your 1000 bb's deep, I'm always flatting the turn against this guy when the flush hits.

You can 3bet flop and expect to get called by worse, but honestly I prefer a call and then raise any non club turn after he bets again. At that point we're basically always crushing him and can be confident putting in 1000 bb's in a spot where he wont fold.

River seems like a fairly standard fold, he has shown that he loves shoveling money in w/ draws, he repped a draw, and both got there. (clubs, 45s)

I disagree w/ raising the flop for the reasons in my other post and as it happens he was willing to fire 3 streets w air, he wouldn't be able to do that if you raise the flop.

It's unfortunate that he got a dream run out where both draws hit and you didn't improve, but he does the same thing on brick brick or a board pair. Don't worry about the results you played it perfectly.

What a ****ing gross spot.

I would flat the flop with the intention of getting it in on ANY non-club turn. You're getting 1:3 OTT which is standard call w/ implied odds. If 54 didn't get there OTR I might, just MIGHT, be able to find a call vs. this spazzy of a player who's continuously bluffed us.

I kinda want to say you can happily fold, but the problem is that he has a **** load of semi-bluffs in his flop raising range, and when you call and then just flat a 1/3 PSB OTT your range appears really capped while his is still perceptively uncapped, allowing him to shove ATC.

where is this game?.. woww seems like heaven. I am never folding river vs this player with a pot size bet remaining on the river. He think's you are scared money.. I would call the flop & turn as you did with the intention of never folding.. I have enough experience playing with wild players and i absolutely love them

Bomb the flop for pure value. - and I mean bomb it like 2k to go. This guy overvalues drawing hands. How many examples do you need? Target that huge part of his range.

Why would you give this opponent unlimited odds to hit his hand or hit an everyday perfect bluff card? B/c you want to keep his range wide? His range IS wide - very wide.

Commit on the flop. If you are calling the flop and veering away from a standard line to "keep his bluffs in" then the river is a snap call.

I fold this river, but I never get there this way, so thanks for the post.

I think call/raise flop is pretty 50/50. River fold seems find because a lot got there but only thing i can't figure out is his turn sizing. He is betting like 1/4th the pot when clubs get in so kinda take flushes out of his range here. idk its tough. Probably still a fold but think this makes it closer

You weren't kidding when you said "deep stacked", jeepers. Biggest stack I've ever seen at 1-3 is ~$2800, never seen two people that deep at same table.

That's all the advice I have here.

I have no advice about this hand other than raise the flop, but I have to know, why on Earth are these people playing $1/$3 with 1000bb stacks? What's the min and max buy-in?

You can buy in for same amount as the biggest table stack. So when a fish is getting hit by the deck like this guy was, people start to buy in deep looking for a moment to stack them.

Doesn't sound like the deck was hitting him that hard rather that he could smell weakness like a bloodhound.

If you want to make life easy, ship flop, any club, A, 4/5/6 is a scare card for you, and you'll have to soul-read him if you miss your boat. If you want him to bluff off his stack, flat flop and ship brick turns, he's prob not going to fold even with w/e random draw.

I would just ship the flop pretty happily, he'll have a lot of draws he'll call off with and I wouldn't want to get bluffed off on a bad run out. If he folds, then I will gladly take down the $1K+ pot @ 1/3.