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Old 03-07-2017, 06:41 PM   #1
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Deep stacked 2/5 game 4 bet spot

2/5 game 2.5k max average stacks 1.8k

Eff stacks 1200

V utg - very tight nitty player vpip around 7%. Absolutely will not float flops will fold as soon as he faces aggression if he doesn't have it. Protects his chips, in the couple of wks I've been playing against him rarely seen him get out of line, maybe never.

H - laggy image, stealing a lot of smaller pots but generally get money in good when playing bigger pots, haven't shown any bluffs but I'm sure am suspected of doing so.

H in sb k7dd
V utg

V limps, 2 other limpers, h raises to 25, v 3 bets 100, h 4 bets 375, v calls.

Flop 66a ss

H?

My question is firstly is this a good spot to 4 bet bluff preflop? I'm always folding to a 5 bet.

Secondly is this a good flop to continue on? What other boards are good to continue on? Other than ones that connect with my actual hand
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:08 PM   #2
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Re: Deep stacked 2/5 game 4 bet spot

Hmmm ... when the 7% vpiper limps utg, I'd range 44+/AQs so raising to $25 with $22 already in the pot has ~0% of fold equity. Larger sizing to take down the dead $.

Given the images, I don't like the 4b.

AP, U block KK and V likely folds JJ- pre. Sounds like he folds AK pre as well, so a cbet pressures 6 combos of QQ and 3 combos of KK. Crushed by 3 combos of AA.

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Old 03-07-2017, 07:10 PM   #3
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Re: Deep stacked 2/5 game 4 bet spot

Fold sb, fold to 3b.

I would never bluff preflop against a player as tight as what you describe.

Board is very good to continue. Dry ace-high flop. I would bet 1/3 pot or less vs this villain. Give up if called or raised. Even if we are called and turn a K. I'm not even sure we can value bet river if board runs out KK.

Don't be surprised if he flopped aces full.
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:20 PM   #4
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Re: Deep stacked 2/5 game 4 bet spot

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Hmmm ... when the 7% vpiper limps utg, I'd range 44+/AQs so raising to $25 with $22 already in the pot has ~0% of fold equity. Larger sizing to take down the dead $.

Given the images, I don't like the 4b.

AP, U block KK and V likely folds JJ- pre. Sounds like he folds AK pre as well, so a cbet pressures 6 combos of QQ and 3 combos of KK. Crushed by 3 combos of AA.

1/3 PSB.
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:22 PM   #5
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Re: Deep stacked 2/5 game 4 bet spot

This hand I'd overlimp > fold > raise. Snap fold to the 3bet, I rate this as fold >>>>>>>> 4 bet > call. 4 bet size is huge as well.

As played, meh, what do you think he flats 4bets with and what does he continue with? I guess if he never floats you can bet like half pot and give up on any call or raise. That's if you think he folds QQ/KK to a bet.
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:51 PM   #6
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Re: Deep stacked 2/5 game 4 bet spot

Snap fold to the l/r.

When a nit l/r you, and you have K7s, it's time to turbo muck, not 4!.
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:53 PM   #7
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Re: Deep stacked 2/5 game 4 bet spot

Not sure why you lost your mind on this hand. Raising in the worst position with a terrible hand, then 4 betting a tight player. Does he even have a limp re-raise fold range? Not likely. You are being trapped in this hand. Me personally, I'd range him @ QQ+, AK. With AK being the only ace he should have besides AA and having a king blocker, I think it's worth a 1/2 pot bet to see if you can take it down.
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Old 03-08-2017, 01:07 AM   #8
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Re: Deep stacked 2/5 game 4 bet spot

What is happening pre and why?
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Old 03-08-2017, 01:20 AM   #9
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Re: Deep stacked 2/5 game 4 bet spot

You played this super fishy. Don't raise k7 from the sb. Snap fold to the limp re raise from a rock. Don't 4 bet a rocks limp re raise with k7, ever and especially oop.
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Old 03-08-2017, 03:21 AM   #10
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Re: Deep stacked 2/5 game 4 bet spot

Pre-flop: no and hell no!
AP: is he ever folding QQ and KK here to a CB and does he ever shows up with less than that in this spot? If your answer is yes, than bet 40ish%pot and then give up if called.

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Old 03-08-2017, 10:03 AM   #11
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Re: Deep stacked 2/5 game 4 bet spot

Preflop - Isolating SB

I don't really like the isolation raise for the following reasons:

1. Being relatively deep, and based on the type of stereotype I imagine UTG to be, he's never folding 99-22 and will invite a cascade of cold-callers especially if a limper is on the BTN.

2. K7dd doesnt really play/barrel effectively in a multiway pot esp. oop.

3. The sizing is too small IMO; I still wouldnt do it as I said in the first reason (UTG to be fairly inelastic), but say UTG is limping an extremely wide range I would make it 40-45. These people have a "pain-point" at which they'll start to not calling your isolation-raises; once you do find it in the right spots you'll be picking up a lot of dead money!

Preflop - 4bet vs Limp-Reraise

I just think this is spew bud, based on your description.

Even if you think it might be successful some of the time, I'd say to look at your table; its a royal mail home game (everyones posting/limping), surely there are fatter edges to be had. From experience (IMO) if one of these plays goes badly I feel like a real dumbass and usually just call it a session.

Flop

As played, I'd just give up. I definitely wouldnt cbet the flop, but I might delay cbet as I think this will give us a better indication of his exact holding.


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Old 03-08-2017, 11:50 AM   #12
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Re: Deep stacked 2/5 game 4 bet spot

a nit L/RR UTG. This is probably the worst imaginable spot to 4b bluff. my 4b range in this spot would be AA.

Now, you ended up with one of the best possible flops (outside of flopping a hand yourself). c-bet $350. probably shoving most turns if called, but it will depend on the vibe I am getting from V
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Old 03-08-2017, 03:56 PM   #13
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Re: Deep stacked 2/5 game 4 bet spot

Agree with others about the general plan to K7s oop and to bluff four bet a tight player who is limp raising. Both are pretty terrible decisions.

However this flop is a great example of how you should choose bluff four bet hands. Choosing a Kx hand has put you in a terrible position because you hit one of the only flops where you might be able to get him off the bottom of his four bet calling range (KK/maybe QQ). However because you have a Kx hand instead of an Ax hand you are actually removing combos from the bottom of his calling range. Now he has as many KK combos as AA combos. If you pull this move with Ax and get an ace high flop, now he only has one combo of AA, 8 combos of AK and 8 combos of KK. Plus you may actually get some value from KK on one street.
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Old 03-08-2017, 04:53 PM   #14
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Re: Deep stacked 2/5 game 4 bet spot

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My question is firstly is this a good spot to 4 bet bluff preflop? I'm always folding to a 5 bet.
I can't even think of a worse spot to 4bet/fold. I couldn't even make one up. Horrible spew!
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