Ok this was a hand I played at a card club a bit ago. The game plays pretty deep for a 1/2 game with the small stacks usually 150BB and stacks of 300BB not being uncommon. the game is filled with a lot of regulars but they are not tough regulars.

Reads
V1 ($400), Nice gentlemen plays fairly passive and tends to call lighter than he should. He is normal tight for these stakes (plays suited aces, any two broad way, all pocket pairs). He is usually calling preflop as opposed to raising/3 betting. (does not beat the game)

V2 ($300)- older gentlemen will almost always get to river with draws even if price offered is not right. plays fairly tight, pretty much will just call unless he is strong but he has a tendency to over play his hands. He has started to call hero lighter and float hero more lately. (probably a long term slight loser as he calls to much but seems to get paid off more than he should)

Hero ($200)- Probably seen as somewhere between TAG and LAG. I generally cultivate a tight image but I am actually pretty wide in my late position raising range because usually we are playing deep and I generally have a good sense of where I am on flops so can get away with a higher percentage of Continuation bets to take down pots. Both Villains have seen me play draws, big made hands, and made hands aggressively but I'm not sure how much that factors into their thinking. I am sitting on 200 because I came from an Omaha game that was breaking and that was how many chips I happened to have. Hand is early in the session. Hero beats this game but not sure if V1 or V2 know or care about this.

Hand

UTG limps, Hero limps 87, 1 more limp, V2 limp, button limps, SB completes, V1 checks the option. 7 players.

Flop A97 ($14)

SB Checks, V1 bets 10, UTG folds, Hero calls, MP folds, V2 calls, Button calls.

Turn 7 ($54)

V1 bets 20, Hero raises to 75, V2 calls, Button folds, BB calls.

River J (279).

BB Checks, Hero shoves (113).

At the time I felt like it was pretty standard but the more I think about it the more I think maybe I made some mistakes along the way. What ranges does everyone put Villains on? Thoughts on every street appreciated.

Dont really see too much here, especially with your stack size. Maybe raise the Flop a bit so you can get stacks in on Turn if possible but shove size on River gives someone a nice price to pay off.

Obv you are correct in your opponent reads as the Turn raise is quite large but was called by 2 opponents anyway and that sets up your River shove. My guess is that you didnt get paid off here except maybe by AJ ... 8T probably doesnt call the Turn raise.

Raise Flop? and keep buming up your riase sizes against these guys until they stop calling you, then you know what you an get away with or get to a HU situation going to the River. GL

you are not deep but 100bb. nh, i like the way you played that.

flop raise would be overplaying our hand without a read villains can fold Ax

Overall I like the postflop line a lot; in fact you played it almost exactly as I would have. Not sure I love pre without a read that we'll actually see the flop for $2

Flop: Raise to $35-$45. I like raising because you will get the better flush draws behind you to fold and get the hand heads up with a lot of equity and in position (if not just scooping the pot right there). Now if V2 does snap call the bet and raise, from experience and the player read, there is a high likelihood he has the nut flush draw and you can be careful on a diamond turn.

As played on flop, the line looks fine. NH

I think the Jack of Diamonds may have been a better card. I just can't imagine 10/8 checking the river often. But, with your aggression on the turn I do. I think checking the river is terrible, so I like the shove. I think Ace/X probably pays you off here. Sometimes villain has a boat, or the straight here though.

I agree some times the flop should be a raise here is my reasoning why I didn't this time:

1) V2 will always call with better flush draws so I won't get rid of that with a flop raise.

2) button will likely call with an ace for 10 but not 35 after a bet and a raise unless he wakes up with a monster in which case stacking off would probably seem mandatory given stack sizes and with me taking the worst of it. There is some risk of button having a flush draw but I think he would raise suited Broadway cards on the button with a bunch of limpers

3) every player in the hand has seen me bet aggressively with draws again diminishing my FE. Also I think it is good for my ranges to sometimes just call with hands like this because it look like more naked flush draw which helps get my 2 pair hands/trips paid more on later streets and just helps balance my ranges as I would play pot control with a lot of my top pair hands to evaluate on later streets.


Anyone have an issue with my reasoning about flop raise/call?

Bet sizing seems pretty good. I've got no issues with anything. nh

You have a (bottom) pair of sevens, a backdoor straight draw and an 8 high FD. I don't see any reason to raise. Calling seems correct.

V2 and button haven't acted yet at the decision point on the flop, so any argument having to do with them is really only a small factor, since they're going to fold a lot, especially if you raise.

That being said, these two things combined are an argument for raising the flop, not calling. If you get called by a flush draw and you get an ace to fold, then you are ahead with your pair of sevens going to the turn.

Fold or raise pre.

Only 100bbs deep and utg+1 -- it's a fold.

Um no, if a game is playing in a way where there are lots of multi-way limped pots (which is a lot of 1/2 games) it's perfectly fine to limp in a pot with a hand like 87 suited, even with 100bb. you just can't get stubborn if a raise comes behinds you and narrows the field a lot. If you can get away with seeing flops cheaply with hands that play pretty well multi way and make the type of hands that can stack a TPGK hand you should do it. I'm not saying you should never fold this hand or you should never raise this hand, both are correct sometimes, but at the same time saying this is always a raise or fold is wrong.