Crazy home game with deep stacks and lots of straddles.

Villain is the host, bit of a gambler when he is down. Much prefers to play table games at the casino because poker can be slow sometimes. Puts lots of pressure on weaker players who are playing well above their bank roll. I really believe this guy would rather stack someone, take their soul then to be up 5K at the end of the night. He tends to play his cards and doesnt think too much about the game.

Villain ($4,000)
Hero ($3,200)

BTN straddle to $15, Villain UTG limps, Mid calls, Hero raises J9 to $65 in CO, only described villain calls. ($167)

Flop AT5

Villain checks, I bet $155, Villain calls ($477)

Turn K

Villain checks, I bet $625, Villain rips it all in

Snap call. Third nut hand ATM? Lots of KTs/o in his range, unlikely AK although possible, QJ with a heart (Q).


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ez call

Like everyone said, routine call vs described villain.

wtf are you doing with these bet sizes? pre is a meh button clicky raise and its too small. other streets way too big.

I mean, this has to be a call based on your V description, but the numbers make my head spin. The villian you describe can do this with the ace of hearts which gives him a ton of hands we are ahead of - AhKx, Ah10x, any Ah hand - you get the idea.

The biggest pot I have played was 2K in a 1/2 PLO game where I flopped top set for the nuts, got all in, and got sucked out on. Still trying to get my soul back from that one, so I understand why you would be hesitant but outside of fear of losing a $hit ton, not sure how you could justify a fold agains this V.

If he has a read that V is a fishy station who will call off 600bb/$3k with 2-pair, why not?

Salt to taste.

Pre sizing is too small, flop is way too big, turn is way too big.

Turn is a nasty spot and is nowhere near a snap

It's still not a fold. Makes it not a snap cause of ridiculous sizings and over potting the turn. Even the spazziest villains know that OP is never bluffing this way so prolly doesn't expect a fold. Still has worse flushes and straights with hearts and Ax with heart. Just a dumb line and overall plan by OP.

Every time I see a title like "Decision time for a $6500 pot 2/5 NL" I wonder if we should even be in this spot before opening up the thread and sure enough, we're raising to $65 with J9s in a 2/5 game...

Flop and turn bet sizes are way too high. As played I would fold. He knows your protecting a smaller flush.

Well put,+1.

We're in the CO. What do you suggest, fold pre?

Yeah, sorry about that. I forgot to mention it for beginning players (I know we're in the CO there's a straddle on for 3x and a caller, and we're 640 BB's deep in a "crazy" home game with an UTG limp from a guy who likes to gamble and put pressure on people).

We have a great hand to play deep-stacked against someone who applies pressure and we have position.

You can make a case for overlimping since there is already two limpers and a straddle, so our hand might not be strong enough to iso.

If you're folding pre, you should just rack up and leave. You can't be scared money and do well in deep stack games. You should be thinking of ways to APPLY PRESSURE YOURSELF. This is a great hand for that in position.

We don't have a great hand. I play regularly in deep games and I'm not scared money I'm smart money.

I don't need to "apply pressure" in a crazy high variance game with a marginal hand against a guy who gambles and likes to stack people (who we're likely going to be up against post flop). It's not a dick waiving contest for 650 big blinds.

NL Holdem is about being aggressive. You have a nut peddler mentality that can get exploited really bad by aggro opponents. If you ever get involved in pots and the board comes middle to low, any aggro can bluff you off your hand since you're only holding high cards and are capped to one pair.

You are scared of a guy that is limping in a pot when we have position and a top 20% deep-stack holding. I would rather hold this than AJo here.

I mean, I agree, if you're only plan for the hand is to flop JJ9, then yes fold pre.

As played, I don't think this is a fist pump, but this guy can have smaller flushes here, along with the naked Ah.

Your description kind of leads everyone to say "call". Have you seen this guy bluff shove over aggression or just make big stabs when someone shows weakness?

I kind of feel like this is only the nuts here, given your line and based on how few V's shove light when they are being faced with this much aggression. I think this guy would snap call you with weaker flushes or the nut flush draw and you would normally value town him, but this time you ran into A2hh.

In game I would probably tank, get clock called, and fold.

Preflop raise is ok imho, but more like $85. Calling is fine, dependent on remaining players.

Flop – I’d check back. If he has an ace, not folding. The T also connects with a lot of the draws in his calling range.

Turn – smaller.

Surprised by the number of snappers for a 1300 bbs pot. The opponent sounds like he has every AhXh in his PF calling range, as well as a bunch QhXh hands. I’d fold and tip my cap if he shows worse. I mean, Hero bet 1.3X pot and V gii!

With the straddle on we are just over 200 BB’s deep. Wonky sizing aside, you kind of asked to be semi bluff shoved on. He should have many combos of AXx (Q, J, T) as well as some worse flushes.

Never loving it but never folding given the aforementioned plus dynamic described in OP.

First and foremost: we're playing a 5/15 game, so we're actually only 200bbs effective.

Preflop: Make it $80 pre. This 4.3x open is too small after 2 limpers, especially stationy limpers.

Flop: Your cbet sizing is way too big. I'd bet closer to $85 here (half pot).

Turn Bet: This actually isn't a bad spot to overbet. I like your creativity here. Alternatively, you could just bet like 80% pot. Either option is fine.

Facing Turn Raise: Pretty disgusting spot. I actually lean towards a fold here. Villain shouldn't have too many offsuit Ax hands when he limp-calls pre, so we can discount a bunch of his AhX semibluffs. He's going to have pretty much every combo of A2hh-A9hh though, as well as Q8hh. He's unlikely to raise QJ against our turn overbet unless it's exactly QhJx, which even then, he might just opt to flat with. What worse flushes can he even have too? Like 3 combos of 87hh, 86hh and 76hh. And 200bbs is a very big stack to x/jam the turn with a draw, even in a "crazy game".

grunch

Preflop raise seems indecisive. Either make it a normal sizing here with the limpers and straddle ($80-$90ish) or just limp behind. An observant opponent could know you're never making it $65 there with AA.

Flop sizing is too big. Should make it closer to half pot.

Turn sizing is too big as well. Make it more like $400.

As played, I'd call here because he can definitely have smaller flushes and its arguable whether he would play the nuts like this since he'd probably just raise smaller.

I think it’s important to understand the average buy-in amount in this game. If it’s $500, you probably have to fold. 12 BI pots are nutted. If the average BI is $1,500 it’s a call. 4 BI pots could be 2p, set, TP+ draw, air.

Pro tip - river the Qh and stack the chips.

I’m struggling to find an instance where a villain, no matter how maniacal, raise/ships turn after hero overbets it and doesn’t have the goods.
There are enough weaker/semibluffs hands in villains range given his description....I just don’t like the gii on top
Of an overbet turn line.


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This is really tough spot.

Per your saying "bit of a gambler when he is down", "He tends to play his cards and doesnt think too much about the game."

I think fold is fine even you might fold the best hand.