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Old 11-22-2018, 11:33 AM   #1
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Dealing with V opening way too many pots

A player is opening to 4bb >50% hands, and he always have 1-2 caller, how to play when is ur turn with position over them? becouse im folding lot of hands that i should OR if noone has raise before.

Flat call? wider 3bet ranges, but if someone of callers are going to call frequenly what ranges?
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Old 11-22-2018, 12:08 PM   #2
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re: Dealing with V opening way too many pots

Too vague a question for a specific answer. Stack sizes, exact position, how the original raiser plays pre and post flop and how the rest of the table is reacting all matter.

You should be folding a some hands you would otherwise open. Your own opens include an element of bluff that has been preempted when somebody else opens.
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Old 11-22-2018, 12:14 PM   #3
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re: Dealing with V opening way too many pots

As QuadJ said, you haven't given us enough information to even to begin answering the question. What does the villain do on the flop when up against 1 person? 2 people? Does he just bet/bet/bet or slow down and when?
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Old 11-22-2018, 12:19 PM   #4
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Re: Dealing with V opening way too many pots

As others have said, it depends. Also depends on how wide other folks are calling him, how they'll react to a 3-bet, etc.

Generally though, I 3-bet a lot, and call with speculative hands some.
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Old 11-23-2018, 01:43 AM   #5
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Re: Dealing with V opening way too many pots

This is the kind of Villain I prefer to have on my immediate left (i.e., behind me.)

If he predictably raises 50% of flops, we get to see everyone else's reactions before we have to act ourselves.

We can squeeze. A lot.

We start doing that and maybe (before he busts out) we might actually be able to limp/raise premiums once or twice.

We can assume that we will be raised and filter our starting hands accordingly.

Limping usually isn't a great plan but with 50% pre-flop raising, we can adjust our range depending on how many other Villains are likely to join the hand.

This Villain's effect on the other players is more important than his own VPIP $. We should get ourselves into a better position (relative position on the other Villains) and have some fun.
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Old 11-23-2018, 01:49 AM   #6
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Re: Dealing with V opening way too many pots

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This is the kind of Villain I prefer to have on my immediate left (i.e., behind me.)

If he predictably raises 50% of flops, we get to see everyone else's reactions before we have to act ourselves.

We can squeeze. A lot.

We start doing that and maybe (before he busts out) we might actually be able to limp/raise premiums once or twice.

We can assume that we will be raised and filter our starting hands accordingly.

Limping usually isn't a great plan but with 50% pre-flop raising, we can adjust our range depending on how many other Villains are likely to join the hand.

This Villain's effect on the other players is more important than his own VPIP $. We should get ourselves into a better position (relative position on the other Villains) and have some fun.

I have never actually seen this plan work. Usually I just end up busting the guy that sits to my right, hoping to squeeze.
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Old 11-23-2018, 01:52 AM   #7
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Re: Dealing with V opening way too many pots

Agreed.

As I noted, "This Villain's effect on the other players is more important than his own VPIP $. We should get ourselves into a better position (relative position on the other Villains) and have some fun.".
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Old 11-23-2018, 02:58 AM   #8
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Agreed.

As I noted, "This Villain's effect on the other players is more important than his own VPIP $. We should get ourselves into a better position (relative position on the other Villains) and have some fun.".
Agree with what?

It is very likely I was unclear. There are a lot of instances where over 1hr or 2hr period where I am opening 50% of hands.

I am a Lag, I open 35 % roughly. Many times it seems a lot higher when I am getting good card distribution.

I have many players, and one in paticular. Who loves to sit to my right. His plan is to squeeze. Actually plays okay postflop. But I absolutely destroy him. There are others who prefer to sit to my right. Same story.

Problem with gameplan is. He wins a few $40 pots preflop. But is OOP way to often. Also not opening a normal range so he is sacrificing to much to often.

In hopes he can squeeze and trap. Really funny when 2 guys with same plan end up screwing each other.

Sure he wins a few $40-$60 pots with squeeze. But in reality he just ends up limping to many strong hands and raising to many mediocre hands. Puts himself in unfamiliar situations and pays the price.
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Old 11-23-2018, 04:22 AM   #9
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Re: Dealing with V opening way too many pots

Agree with the above. No offence but wanting to be on his right is kind of a nit attitude. The opportunity to limp reraise a guy like that with premiums appeals to risk-averse types because it's safe, guaranteed money. The problem with it is that you mostly don't get dealt premiums and when you do and limp, > 50% of the time the guy won't enter the pot and you end up in a limped pot with AA or whatever. It's more profitable to try to play many pots against a guy like this in position. This is off-the-reservation wrong:

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This Villain's effect on the other players is more important than his own VPIP $.
I'm not even sure what this means tbh, in my experience most LLSNL players are passive calling stations and when confronted with a maniac they respond to it by being passive calling stations.
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Old 11-23-2018, 08:04 PM   #10
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I'm not even sure what this means tbh, in my experience most LLSNL players are passive calling stations and when confronted with a maniac they respond to it by being passive calling stations.

This

You see them widen their ranges instead of getting more aggressive.
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Old 11-23-2018, 08:52 PM   #11
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Re: Dealing with V opening way too many pots

3bet super wide with a polarized range if he raise/folds often.

3bet super wide with a linear value range if he raise/calls often.
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Old 11-23-2018, 09:10 PM   #12
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Re: Dealing with V opening way too many pots

Beer and Chris and Mikko all agree.

For the next dozen or so sessions I will take this advice, sit to the left instead of to the right of these guys (two in particular in my game), like I used to actually.

And follow Johnny's suggested game plan when in doubt about what action is best.

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