ya while I agree you can do this - but sometimes you can't win no mater what you do.

Some people say take a week off, and while I take some time off I think that is a tad silly. Sometimes you gotta just play through a bad run of cards.


Just 1 single card take turn your night into a bad night. If you get all your money in and that single card comes to bust you - it could break your whole mental state of mind.


knowing when to quit a session is one of the hardest things I have come to realize. No one likes being stuck.

Just set a stop loss that you can live with. When you hit it, you're done.

I used to struggle with this years ago. I'd be playing within my pre-defined session bankroll but get down to a short stack situation. Say I'm playing $800, and I've somehow lost $730. I'd either spew it, or bore myself to death waiting for a spot to stick the last $70 in with a prayer.

Now, if I'm ever in that kind of situation, I just leave with the short stack and spew it somewhere else. A new shirt, a steak dinner, pedicure....something personally indulgent. That way, even you always come away with something, even when you lose.

When I'm card dead I usually deal with it by folding, pretty good strategy.

Grunch

I think there was a podcast w David Tuchman where he touched on this topic. Basically he talked about how players have a tendency to play much longer when they're either stuck or relatively stuck (like even but got sucked out on in a big pot)

I think it can be really bad to continue to play when you feel strongly that momentum or chance are not in your favor. Lots of spots becon aggression for the highest possible returns. If you feel like you won't hit the next flush, or that you're incapable of running a Bluff you're probably either playing in the wrong game, or w the wrong mindset.

10 hrs is a really long time to feel like that in a single session of cards. I guess my overall recommendation would be to keep things in perspective. That game will be there tomorrow, and the money you might save from continuing to get stomped on by the deck could easily net you more happiness by doing something else. Either decide to quit when you've had enough, or set a timer and say that if you're not dealt a winner in that time frame that youll come back another day or time when fate isn't destroying your mindset and enjoyment of the game.

grunch. i play TAGGY. at a 9 handed table my VPIP long term is only 20. it takes practice and time.
try to improve your patience bit by bit. it took me a while but these days i have no problem folding for four hours straight. a big thing is to have fun and enjoy the game. pay attention.

seriously bit by bit i slowly improved my patience and now folding just feels normal.

folding pre is a huge skill. it willsave u lots of money in spots where people limp K2s etc and lose

PLO... Ldo.

There are almost always spots to squeeze pre (with junk) or squeeze on the flop when people look weak after you built fold equity by playing 3-4 hands in the last hour.

I would also say that in the first 3 positions and the blinds there isn't much you can do preflop, but be more creative in the last 3-4 spots. It seems like you are asking for more of a psychological question and maybe I'm not answering your question directly...but do things that are out of the norm here and there. If you have a few opponents who are shorter stacked than you probably can't do too much either.

Do u guys have any good verbal responses when there is always one guy at the table who has to point out to the entire table that u haven't played a hand in 2hrs..

Playing with "friends" usually helps me. I have a few people at my casino that I have side bets with (based on flop). We usually do one of us has red 2's, the other black, then once the dealer changes, we have 2's AND 3's, and it just climbs as the dealers change and we text eachother our tally. We pay out at the end of the week.

Besides that, being card dead doesn't bother me. I just look at it over the long run. Like how you're supposed to get Aces once every like 300 hands or something; Sometimes you get aces back to back, so dont expect them for another 600 hands now.

I try to play halfway decent hands from the blinds just so I don't look COMPLETELY card dead/nitty.
If someone mentions you not playing a hand, they know you're waiting for a big one. 3! them once they open to exploit them, or 3! them and show your bluff to tilt/create an image.
Sometimes having a solid/tight image works to your advantage.

I couldn't imagine playing 10 hrs card dead, but then I only live 20 miles from the casino.
Just today, on the midshift, my session tracker said I had been playing for 2 hrs & 18 minutes when I finally tipped the dealer for the 3rd time.

I finally won 1 decent pot allowing me to leave to go eat breakfast with a $123 profit after 3.3 hrs of sitting at the table. However, you need a fish at your table, willing to call your $200+ all in on the turn [with his T3] when you flopped top 2 on a T93r rainbow board. I intended to go the diner & go back, however, rumor has it the poker room will be open all year.

When I'm really card dead & ready to quit [after 4-5 hrs] I'll announce that I'm missing the small blind to change up the run of the cards & ask that they not forget me if the bad beat hits.

If that doesn't do it, I'm outta' there.

"Building FE" is so overrated at most loose live tables. So you haven't played a hand in 3 hours. People don't care, if they have something, they'll call anyways just to bust you.

I was recently in a great 1/3 NL game but was card dead with an already known tight image. I open limp AQ in EP, see a loose cannon open and get called by 3 players, so with my $300 stack I limp/reraise to $80. I got 3 callers. Standard.

Gsqueezing/raisingwithacarddeadimageinaloosegamewithanythingo therthanpurevaluehandsissuicide,imoG

Maybe something like "you wouldn't either if you'd been dealt the junk I have; I haven't seen a face card / Ace in over an hour".

As someone else mentioned, also try your best to get into hands in LP. If it's been multiway limped to me in LP I'm definitely getting in there with double gapped offsuit very speculative almost-junk like 74o.

GcluelessNLnoobG

So true. At low limit games your image doesn't matter at all. People barley notice that you haven't played a hand. If they do notice but they have "playable" cards they still will call

Point it out before he does.

I'm thinking of using the line that I'm folding so much because I've seen better hands in a ward full of thalidomide babies. I'm not sure if that is too offensive or if nobody will get the reference.

This isn't always true. When I slum it at 3/6 waiting for a no limit seat, my image is sufficiently strong that I sometimes get too much respect for my raises.

If you play a lot, it gets boring, and when it gets boring, some people (me) make dumb mistakes out of boredom. I started bringing my tablet with me and reading books on Kindle. You can try that if you like to read.

$15 in 10 hours? That ain't card dead, lol. Not even close.

Same here. Then get my stack blinded off and go home.

You must be playing in much looser games than I am. In Vegas 1/3 games I'd expect everyone to fold to $80 and if someone calls it's only 1 person. I've heard complants that the Vegas games I play in are nitty btw. People still make bad calls but they often definitely notice when you're tight and they do tighten up their range against players they think are nits.

In my games I actually like it when they think I'm nitty because it helps me steal pots and I do rely a lot on stealing (mostly PF or with c-bets).

Also, I'm way more aggressive than they think so if they adjust to me by tightening up too much, then that adjustment is wrong and I can run over them when I stop being card dead.

This happens to me too as I play pretty nitty. It usually kind of tilts me too mainly out of annoyance. It is usually some agro douche just talking ****. This is usually when I get my chips and leave. Maybe come back later or table change.

Yeah, I was being a little glib with my "standard" comment, as even I was only expecting 1 call at most (my plan was to setup a SPR of ~1 if called so I could simply shove the flop UI).

The point I was more trying to make is know your table and who you're dealing with. Table conditions change all the time; some times we do have that FE that we've patiently been building up. But just make sure you're aware when the table has changed and is now full of guys who weren't around for that or don't care.

GcluelessFEnoobG

if they are playing that loose then you should be able to outplay them from the button and cutoff by playing your weak hands

I doubt I tip $15 bucks in 90% of my sessions so I wouldn't let that be a gauge. How many pots above $60 do you think you should have won in 10 hours?

I've been getting work done a lot at the table where permitted. None of the casinos have said anything about me bringing a small netbook to get my work done.

I open up a bit on the button with hands I wouldn't play in sessions where I was being dealt a lot of hands in my opening range. Someone mentioned they add 74o which I do as well as 69o, 64o, 75o to my starting range on the button. Also more likely to 3! with decent suited from the button with a lot of dead money with j9s, 10-8s type hands because people will give me credit for a big hand and I may take it down pre or with a cbet on the flop if I don't hit.

Like others have said, its just one long game, and folding is building up your image for fold equity. When it becomes clear I can no longer play well, I just cash out and go home for the day, take a rest, if I feel like I have to play some more go online... The thought that things could always be a lot worse also helps....