An ad popped up on my phone for Daniel Negreanu's poker master class. 33+ lessons starting June 19th including downloadable workbooks and videos. I'm posting this here because I'm almost exclusively a LLSNL poker player so I'd like to know if anyone has experience / opinions on:

1 - Masterclass.com in general ($90 for one class, $180 for a year of unlimited classes).
2 - Online poker classes and how they translate to LLSNL games in general. In your experience are they too general to really help if you only play LLSNL? Are they too heavy on GTO and FPS plays that I shouldn't focus on at LLSNL poker?
3 - Has anyone taken any type of classes for DN before? If so how were they?
4 - The thing that really has me tempted is that you can upload videos and a select amount of students will have questions answered directly by DN. Seems worth the money.

Thoughts?

Hard to tell without watching the class first. I think Daniel generally has sound fundamental advice.


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I heard its probably pretty good, might be a little basic if you have some solid fundamentals

I think Little is better

Assuming you mean?
http://jonathanlittlepoker.com/

If so, which products did you find the most useful? Seems like the videos are about $100 each, that could get pricey!

Based on DNegs' other poker books and videos, it won't be bad information. You have to weigh that he doesn't play very much NLHE cash games, especially at LLSNL levels. So much of it might not match reality.

I think you'd be much better off subscribing to whatever poker training doug polk puts out there

The preview video looks pretty good. I may subscribe for the $180. There are others I’d like to check out. They just get so expensive.

Out of all the resources out there this is like the last one you should be utilizing to get better at Live Low Stakes NL. Not only has Daniel never played Live Low Stakes but he rarely plays Live NL cash games whatsoever. The times he has he's played terribly (High Stakes Poker, Poker Night in America as examples). Let's not forget how badly his coaching project Boston Rob Mariano (survivor fame) crashed and burned in the reality show Rob and Amber: Against The Odds.

Obviously Daniel is a very talented player with the aptitude to beat any game. However, a 1/2 grinder would be a better coach than him in regards to beating live low stakes. Daniel is primarily a tournament player and NL has never been his specialty (Although he has improved his game in the past 5 years). His background is mostly limit and pot limit. Most of his cash game experience comes from playing in large mixed games (no NL whatsoever).

+1

Doug is the nizzles and super-generous with his free advice. (Just wear a shirt man, dammit. Fly to Vietnam. Go to Yali tailors and fill ur wardrobe!)

But if you're playing LLSNL there are many folks here including myself who can give you a winning formula without spending a dime.

There are better ways to improve by spending $ for NL 1/2 than by getting that class--to me at least. I prefer the books like Beat the Donks that are written just for that limit.

he has a teaching subscription.
ive read some of his books.
he offered a lifetime subscription with a bunch of free videos for like 495 a while back.
he always has some deals running and I think Doug is part of the teaching fraternity there

Couldn't agree more with everything that was said here.
You're a low stakes player. If anything, the stuff you'de learn here would damage your game more than anything else.
Ever hear of fancy play syndrome?
I'm all in for learning and improving your game but this would be heading in the wrong direction. And an expensive wrong way turn to boot!

Thanks for all the feedback guys. I'll address a few points:
Obviously I'm reading up online via free sources but haven't spent any money on training as of yet. $90 seemed pretty cheap for the amount of content and access in this package though.

I follow Doug on IG and have watched a lot of his YouTube breakdowns. Most of the veterans here suggest NOT to try to employ much of his GTO strategies in LLSNL as it would be leveling your self and most opponents wont be responding to your balancing like pros would. If you've paid for specific content from Doug that helped your LLSNL game please share.

Lots of valid points here, but I'm not THAT new. I've been playing for over 15 years. I only started tracking sessions in 2014. 94 of my 116 hrs of poker this year have been 2/5 (still LLSNL). I work full time and have only gotten in 116 hours this year so far as I just had my first child. There are only a handful of grinders I'd go to for this type of thing, and perhaps I'll reach out, but I'm not expecting my competition to help me take their money. As mentioned earlier I'm already using free resources, this just seemed pretty good for $90. If you had $100 to invest in your LLSNL game what would you spend it on first?

I agree, this would be my first real investment. I borrowed Phil Gordon's little green book back in 2006-ish and it really helped my game. I have been using free resources ever since. Haven't even bought any follow up books. Just contemplating spending $90 and figured I'd check with the forums first.

I'll look into the subscription. $495 is more than I was looking to spend though.

As you can see I've been lurking on these boards since 2011. I'm quite familiar with FPS. I think I'm advanced enough to recognize which information I can incorporate into my game and which info is for higher stakes / different villains. Also, $90 is not that expensive in the context of my poker play, it's 18 BB. If I'm going to beat the game for 10 BB / hr then it's less than a 2 hour investment.

I am going to say it isn't worth the $. DN plays high stakes cash, tourny's, and plays with many of the same players over and over so a ton of his game is meta based. That doesn't exist in the levels that we play.

My advice would be this:

1. Post hands here that give you trouble and follow the advice of whom you consider to be the best posters (although read all responses because everyone has a contribution to make and can give you insight into how the player pool thinks).

2. Look for lines/opinions that are divergent of yours and engage those posters directly. No one has a monopoly on poker knowledge, so in most cases there will be more than one play that is acceptable.

3. Take a few concepts/lines that you see on here to your next session and try them out. Get out of your comfort zone and push yourself to play differently...you will be surprised by the results.

GL.

Shorn

Thanks Shorn, you know I'm already doing this... or perhaps you give so much advice you forgot that you've already offered your advice on several of my lines. I particularly enjoy the back and forth between you and ATC.

I know you are a studious player....that alone will put you in the top 5% of the low stakes player pool.

Yeah me and ATC have gone a few rounds but that is what makes the game so great. He gives very good advice and we just happen to have a different style in certain spots...neither is wrong, just alternatives.

I’m a fan of Polk’s videos on YouTube. His thought process is solid. I just can’t justify $50 a mboth for his site. I imagine the Negreanu masterclass will have some elementary elements as well as stuff that can help an intermediate player.

I took the thread's advice and didn't take this class but figured I'd follow up and see if anyone else took it and if so what their thoughts were.

Hello,
I purchased this course because i couldn't find a thorough review of the entire class after all the video's became available. This was very disappointing. There are 36 videos in all and the average length of each was between 10 to 15 mins each. Each video is titled, for example video 18 is titled "Tournament Strategy: Early and middle stages." Within each video is broken up into smaller sections. 1st section is called, "Early stages: Play conservatively." and he talks about that for about two minutes before the next section. The information in this video and all the other video's was very basic and obviously geared toward beginners and intermediates who need a refresher. This program appeared to be hastily put together and the shortness of the videos and lack of video examples of what he's explaining seems to prove my point. This is more a refresher than an instructional course, the information was nothing profound and when he was promoting this course, he said, "I'm going to talk about things i've never talked about before." I don't believe that at all, because this course was very generic.

i thought it was pretty helpful. he taught me that more rake is actually better.