Hey guys, first ever hand posted on here so would appreciate any feedback.

Crown Casino 1/3 NL.

Only been at the table about 2 orbits so reads are kinda limited.

Villain, UTG+2 (~$300) - 30ish Greek dude, fairly fishy in the way he talks post-hands, analysing every street of play rah rah (those kinda people). Seems loose.

Hero SB (~$220) - 21, pretty much unknown as I rarely play here so tight image, people bag me for having a One Direction haircut.

PRE:
Villain raises to $12, Button calls, Hero calls in SB with 109

FLOP: (pot - $39)
244
Hero checks, Villain stares at flop for a weird amount and bets $25, Button folds, Hero calls.

TURN: (pot - $89)
9
Hero checks, Villain bets $50. This complicated my thought process of potentially bluffing him off an overpair etc as I can now beat his bluffs. Hero calls $50.

RIVER: (pot - $189)
3
Hero checks, Villain shoves all in fair quick for $220ish.

Looking back my hand really looks like 55-88...Villain is probably competent enough to pick that up.

Thoughts? Any feedback appreciated as this hand really defined my session

Your plan is to "potentially bluff" a fish off an overpair on a 4 high board out of position with SPR = 2. Good plan. Crown Casino, now where is that again?

P.S. If you want to get relevant answers, you need to write the effective all in on the river, which is only about $125.

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Move down stakes
Fold flop
Don't include haircut in villain/hero description
Get a new haircut

Thanks, as you can see I'm still learning !

Jesus... live poker is dead, long live live poker!

Fold pre.

Fold flop.

AP, is c/shoving ott best? Having gotten to this point lol, we can't fold. And a ton of the deck will make it difficult to put more $ in otr. I guess I crai here.

AP, I guess call, you got what you wanted, it seems, playing T9 and put a lot of $ in already. If you think about folding otr, instead you could just sit out for a few minutes and write V a check.

I woulda just folded preflop. We're getting an ok price, but we'll be OOP and only in a 3way pot, so pretty meh.

Did we have some sorta plan in mind when we called the flop, such as check/raising the turn to rep the 4? Seems like we just blindly called hoping to spike a T/9 or backdoor flush draw? We have T high. Even if Villain is bluffing, he's still most likely ahead. Easy fold on the flop, and if we're going to spew like this postflop then this makes the preflop fold even easier.

I could see an argument for calling down on the turn/river, especially if villain can be bluffy. Once we call the flop, he has to be concerned we have a 4, and so he might slow down on one of the later streets with a showdownable hand (ex. pair). When he doesn't slow down, typically this means he either has a monster (ex. 22, 4x, 99, etc.) or nothing (ex. A high). On the other hand, he has set up a small SPR on the flop, and perhaps he is just getting max value with an overpair.

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AP, fold. You have no read, TPNK (2-pr).

Pre - fold. While this hand looks very nice, it is extremely difficult to play oop in a raised pot.
Flop - fold. If you call there has to be a plan for the turn, not just flatting.

You should have folded pre because you are not getting all that great odds, tough to play, and no guarantee that even if you hit a monster you will stack anyone so implied odds aren't all that high necessarily.

You shouldn't have called the flop. This is kind of fancy play syndrome. You can get a lot better spots than this. Plus, what are you trying to rep? Also, you should be trying to narrow villain's range? His double barrel on the turn looks kind of strong no? The river bet looks strong too right? The reason you don't like your spot here on the river is because of playing such a weak hand OOP with no read in the first place.

As played, I fold river unless something about history with villain makes you think he could be 3 barreling a bluff here.

From experience at this game in this venue, play the following hands AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AKs, 10s, AQs, KQs
And only widen your range when in late position and against several limpers or 3 or 4 people that have called a min raise.
And you've almost found the right people to target, go for the older aged wogs, like the old greek and italian regs donate cash like its the last time they're ever gonna play

Dont fold preflop. If villain is able to fold to 3bets I like 3 betting, otherwise flatting is fine vs an incompetent villain. As played just fold flop.

Edit: dont listen to poster above me. You wont make more than a dime/hr and youre ruining poker. Incompetent nits itt

I'm not a huge fan on calling pre flop with T9s OOP, but whatever.
People will play the cards they want to play.

On the flop, what are we hoping for here?
If we have a read that he will fire and then give up to any pressure when he has nothing, that can be of use here. Or if we have a read that he likes to open wide, so he's unlikely to have anything, then maybe we can make something good happen. But absent of all of that, there's really no reason for us to be calling. We have a pair draw?.. and a backdoor flush draw?..

We are out of position (OOP), have no initiative, and have draws that amount to roughly a 26% chance of improving. Notice that I only say improving as we might actually improve to the second best hand.

On the turn, meh, sure, call here. We beat some of his range now, likely enough to warrant a call, not enough to raise. (But I'm still not sure how we got to this point..)
Also, you mention on the turn that you mention that:

Please don't try and bluff fishy players off of their over pairs. Normally fishy players are so in multiple aspects, including not being able to lay down overpairs. Which is why we make so much money off of them. Also, the vast majority of overpairs that he's raising with pre flop, and on the flop are still winning. So you would still need to bluff him off to win. Hitting your pair does not put your ahead of TT-AA. If you had a plan to bluff him, you should continue your plan to bluff him.

Final note:
You say that you don't really have read on him, but you talk about how

There is no reason for you to now assign him that ability if you haven't seen him making plays before on people. We can't just change our overall read mid hand to make our line make more sense, by giving him more or less credit as the hand goes on, just so whatever we did seems better.


Keep reading, keep posting. You'll get there.
Just don't bluff the fish unless you know he will fold.

you turned your hand into a bluff catcher on the turn so the odds say call, only A5 got there

that being said, seems like a perfect spot to fold the flop and say NH

This is not good. Fine pre flop but you should just be folding this flop everytime, no need to make a bad float against a fish who is never folding an overpair.

Your flop call is god awful versus the described villain.

Crown is a good poker venue - especially those LL games.

Can you tell me what your intention was when you called the flop bet?