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Old 02-08-2018, 05:10 AM   #1
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Creative line with AA, to extract maximum value

1/2 table with a mix of loose and tight players, with more than average amount of 3-betting in the last two hours. V SB (350$) is the second tightest player at the table, playing poker on his smartphone and not interacting with the table at all (the tightest guy is also heavily engaged with his phone). This V plays 1 hand per two orbits and plays them very aggressively. Hero HJ(covers) has a solid image, but has suffered a sort of bad beat a few orbits ago, where he put it all in with set over set OTF on mono board, (800$ pot), turn and river filled the board with hearts and the pot was split.

Action : live straddle, call, call, MP (very loose player) raise to 150, Hero calls, CO calls, BTN calls, V raises to 900, folded to Hero.

Of course the obvious play here is to raise all-in and most likely CO and BTn will fold and then it comes down to whether V in SB will call or fold. But I came up with this idea: To call 900 here, since I put V on JJ+, AK (the widest range I can give him is 99+, AQ+). Based on how aggressively he plays the seldom hands he plays, I figured he would shove most flops,( except maybe for A high flops, but since I have two blockers, the likelihood of an A OTF is rather small) and then to just call his shove.

What is the better EV play, shoving pf or underepping the hand and going for my line? I guess this is a function of how often he will call pf and on what percentage of flops he will shove post flop, but I don't know how to estimate those variables.
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Old 02-08-2018, 05:17 AM   #2
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Re: Creative line with AA, to extract maximum value

I mean stack sizes matter but call/shove should be seen as wider than exactly AA so that's what I do.
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Old 02-08-2018, 06:05 AM   #3
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Re: Creative line with AA, to extract maximum value

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MP (very loose player) raise to 150, Hero calls, CO calls, BTN calls, V raises to 900
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Old 02-08-2018, 06:14 AM   #4
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Re: Creative line with AA, to extract maximum value

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V raises to 900
If V with 350 raises to 900, just go all in, it's gonna be hard for him to add more money while everybody is watching....

I guess you meant the first raise was to 15 and the second was to 90? If that is true just stuff it. If he is capable of raising to 90 and then folding, you will get his stack pretty quickly anyways.
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Old 02-08-2018, 07:26 AM   #5
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yes, I meant 15 and 90 obv, sorry for that
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Old 02-08-2018, 11:32 AM   #6
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Re: Creative line with AA, to extract maximum value

I honestly despise the first call, especially knowing the entire table will probably call. You got lucky SB raised. Just raise now. He's decided to play a hand and he's probably going to play it. Your hand looks more like AK than AA and you could be tilting in his eyes. I do not want to flat and have CO and BTN come along.
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Old 02-08-2018, 01:50 PM   #7
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I honestly despise the first call, especially knowing the entire table will probably call. You got lucky SB raised. Just raise now. He's decided to play a hand and he's probably going to play it. Your hand looks more like AK than AA and you could be tilting in his eyes. I do not want to flat and have CO and BTN come along.
Yeah, the more I think about replies to my post, the more I am convinced that my creative line was wrong. I should have definitely 4-bet there.

As far as the initial call goes, there were also sb, bb and the straddler active. That makes for five players behind me with a fairly reasonable chance that one of them will 3-bet me at this table.

This how the hand played out, I called 90$ and CO and BTN folded. Flop came T97hh, V pushed and I insta called as planned, he tabled TT and scooped a nice pot.
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