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A couple 1/3 hands that I think I played bad A couple 1/3 hands that I think I played bad

07-19-2018 , 06:23 PM
Hand 1: villain seems like a solid thinking player. Only been here for 45 min or so.

Hero 350$ utg with JdJs. Hero raise to 11$, utg+1 calls. Everybody else folds.

Flop (26$) 9h9s5h, hero bets 15$, villain calls.
Turn (56$) 4h, hero checks villain checks.
River (56$) 2c, hero bets 20$, villain raise 60$, hero?

I feel like I messed up the river here. Not sure what I can get value from so I think I should just check it.

Hand 2: villain in bb is kind of loose, no other reads.

Hero 250$ 1/3 live in MP with AQo. 2 limpers, hero raise to 15$, co bb and utg call.

Flop (61$) Q35r, bb bets 20$, utg calls, hero?

Definitely not a fold but should I call or raise here?

Check back later I'll reply with the results
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07-19-2018 , 06:48 PM
hand 1 can either check or bet flop. if you check he'll often put you on whiffed AK so you can easily get bluff money. as played c/c river doubt anyone competent is calling river with worse if you bet. if you bet hes not gonna put you on AK that suddenly decided to bluff, hes gonna put you on JJ-AA. check river make him think you got nothin

hand 2 just call. im more worried about UTG than BB cuz theres a chance UTG is sandbagging a flopped set. if on the turn BB bets big and UTG calls then fold, or if BB checks and UTG bets big also fold. if on turn they both check then bet small like 40% pot for value vs worse Qx

also id make it more pre like $20.

Last edited by NittyOldMan1; 07-19-2018 at 06:59 PM.
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07-19-2018 , 07:09 PM
Almost 3:1 on your money in hand 1. Hard to put villian on a 9 calling UTG in UTG+1.
Probably a flush. KQ, AQ, QJ, etc. Or an a pocket pair. 22-55 maybe. 66-JJ is definitely possible since we checked back the turn.
How often do we think villian is bluffing?
Someone correct me on my math if im wrong but we only have to be right 26% of time to call. 40$ more into 110$ id probably call and muck if V shows a flush.

Hand 2. Multi way. just call keep bluffs in there range. And avoid bloating the pot if BB/ UTG has you beat IMO
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07-19-2018 , 08:33 PM
only $40 more into a pot of around $135. I would be calling hand one. on the river you get value from lower pairs. I don't mind a bet after he checks back on the turn and the flush came in.

hand 2

I would just call in hand 2 and see what happens OTT. If we raise we may only get called by better.
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07-19-2018 , 10:45 PM
I like how you played hand 1, maybe go a bit bigger on river ($25-30) but now fold IMO. You could also go for a c/c but unless we have clear evidence of how villain plays/thinks I prefer to just go for the standard line and get the value.

Hand 2 I think there's merit for both calling & raising flop. It's fairly difficult for us to be beat on this rainbow board, there are only 6 combinations of 55/33, 2 of 53s, and ~3 of Q5s/Q3s combined. Meanwhile there is a large number of Qx to get value from, and other hands to deny equity from. Those are the merits to raising.

That said, there are very few drawing hands on this Q53r board. We are IP. The pot is already getting fairly bloated, and we are doing extremely well against a lot of the hands villains hold.

I think I prefer a raise in the AQ hand a bit more, make it $70-80.
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07-19-2018 , 10:49 PM
H1 keep betting the turn. He has more PP’s than 9x and flush draws.

H2 call flop.

Raise bigger pre in both hands.
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07-20-2018 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Thamel18
I like how you played hand 1, maybe go a bit bigger on river ($25-30) but now fold IMO. You could also go for a c/c but unless we have clear evidence of how villain plays/thinks I prefer to just go for the standard line and get the value.

Hand 2 I think there's merit for both calling & raising flop. It's fairly difficult for us to be beat on this rainbow board, there are only 6 combinations of 55/33, 2 of 53s, and ~3 of Q5s/Q3s combined. Meanwhile there is a large number of Qx to get value from, and other hands to deny equity from. Those are the merits to raising.

That said, there are very few drawing hands on this Q53r board. We are IP. The pot is already getting fairly bloated, and we are doing extremely well against a lot of the hands villains hold.

I think I prefer a raise in the AQ hand a bit more, make it $70-80.
Hand 1 I ended up calling and he said "good call I have nothing". So I showed and he mucked. No idea what he had but I just had that gut feeling he was trying to buy it. The turn check seemed really weak. The way he had been playing I feel he would have bet the turn with 9X or a flush unless he was nutted and trapping possibly. He seemed like a player who could make this bluff. It also was only 40$ to call into a 140$~ pot. If he raised bigger I probably would have folded. I'm thinking this is a villain/read dependant spot.

Hand 2 I raised to 60$ and everybody folded. With 4 of us in the hand (and 2 obviously interested) I wanted to build the pot but not get too crazy. I went smallish here because I figure I'm only getting called by better with a bigger raise since the board is so dry. I'm not getting value from much here besides maybe KQ/QJ/QT and I doubt they are calling a big raise with QJ/QT here. Unless they are open ended but with pre flop action that doesn't seem likely.

If bb was bluffing the flop I don't think he would barrel the turn too. Seeing as he's getting called by at least 2 people here. I also figure if they will call a bet on the turn (if checked to me and I bet) then they would have most likely called a raise on the flop.

Not sure how flawed any of these thoughts are so let me know. Just trying to give my insight to see where I may be thinking wrong and improve.
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07-20-2018 , 11:38 AM
H1:

You and I play in different games if a small raise that gets immediately called in EP only goes HU to the flop. Weird result, was it expected? $11 would just be a juicer in my game, although that might not be a bad idea with a hand like JJ just trying to setmine against the world and be able to play for stacks when hitting, plus perhaps the option of 4betting anyone who might 3bet light.

SPR is 13 and we're OOP to a solid thinking player. We absolutely don't want to play for stacks with this high SPR, and we're pretty fine with attempting to keep the pot small against this guy and perhaps even underrepping our hand. So even though our hand is likely good on the flop and vulnerable to overcards / flush draw, against this guy I would probably lean to checking.

As played, I'm fine with checking the turn (I probably would have leaned to a check here even if the flush draw didn't come in). The general idea here is to not play big pots OOP to good players, so a good way to attempt that is to not bet.

River is tough, but poker is tough OOP to good players. Against face up easy peasy players, we can easily bet/fold here. But against this guy, we probably can't do that as much. So my goal in this spot is to get to showdown and check/call; it's not a great spot as often he'll check behind hands that perhaps I could have gotten value from, and of course he'll always bet his value hands, but it's more important to get to showdown to stake our claim to this pot, imo. As played, I probably fold even though of course there is a part of us thinking he's making a move against our obvious hand here.

HH2:

I probably go $25 preflop to setup a more comfortable stack off situation postflop with TP. Our raise size end up getting the nut low result (imo) of giving 3 opponents (one of whom has position) 20+ IO while only getting in 6% of their stack while creating a small SPR of < 4 where it will be difficult not to play for stacks with TP. Is this the spot you're looking for?

Anyhoo, board is fairly drawless, so I'd just call and go from there and see what happens. But preflop has just setup such a bad spot. By the turn we'll have less than 2x PSB left, I mean you can argue we're getting fairly committed, but let's just see what everyone does and maybe we can somehow make a hero fold later.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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07-20-2018 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Phraust
Hand 2 I raised to 60$ and everybody folded. With 4 of us in the hand (and 2 obviously interested) I wanted to build the pot but not get too crazy.
If just one player calls the flop raise, the pot will be $201 and we'll have just $175 left (less than a PSB); if both guys come along, the pot will be $241 (just a 3/4 PSB left). Not really sure what your definition of "too crazy" is, but you just committed stacks with this raise.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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07-20-2018 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
If just one player calls the flop raise, the pot will be $201 and we'll have just $175 left (less than a PSB); if both guys come along, the pot will be $241 (just a 3/4 PSB left). Not really sure what your definition of "too crazy" is, but you just committed stacks with this raise.

GcluelessNLnoobG
I just meant I didn't want to go too big to push out hands I can keep getting value from, and with TPTK we are still vulnerable so I'm not sure if i want to keep it 4 handed. If I had a set on this board I would probably play it slower.

But looking back I think this could have been a better move oop. At least while IP with a call I can see what they do. Probably get more in on the turn with a bet if checked to me. Unless I'm already beat the most equity someone can have against me here is 32%~ with an oesd (i think) and I already narrowed it down to them most likely not having that. So I'm more than likely way ahead. But with 4 people in the hand if they all have a piece of it my equity somewhat tanks. And with the 4th player yet to act if I just call. He is getting an extremely good price. Only 20$ to call a 120$ pot. He only needs 15%~ equity or so here.

So I can see a reason to call or raise here.
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