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11-24-2018 , 11:40 AM
effective stacks: 200


Button straddle is on for 5; I open to 20 in MP with AT; somewhere near the bottom of my opening range; I get called by Old Guy on my left, fairly passive player who seems pretty tight;


F: 233 ; I c-bet the paired board here for 25; I think I could get some folds from a large part of his range, maybe my A-high beats most of the hands that are folding so checking might be good here? He ends up making it 30 more; the small sizing tells me that he just wants to see where he is here; unlikely he has much 3X here besides 33; Could I jam here for 107 more? I think it would be a solid play bc my line would look super strong and he could only call with the top of his range (99-QQ); he would be getting 2.5 to 1 on a call so I am not sure how much FE I would have;


I played this hand very poorly but I am wondering if I could have just 3bet the flop instead of flat calling and then hero calling his shove on the Turn (Q) with A - high

thanks for any feedback
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11-24-2018 , 11:49 AM
LLSNL Vs are huge non-believers on paired flops. I just check flop.

AP, never, ever, call the raise. If you think he's MUBSY, you could re-raise, but generally no LLSNL Vs have a raise/fold range, so I just fold flop unless I have good reads.
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11-24-2018 , 12:26 PM
I fold to his flop raise -- he's a tight, passive older guy who called pre and raised the flop. He has you beat, and I don't think he's folding. It is possible, but I just give up and wait for value hands.

Did you really call his shove on a Q turn? Why on earth...?
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11-24-2018 , 12:34 PM
I'm cbetting this a lot, but I'm also willing to call a raise with A high against players who are bluffy. I'm b/f against an old passive player though. If old man only plays premiums I check flop.
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11-24-2018 , 01:57 PM
A10 is fold in straddle pot from MP.
Coming from loosest guy in this forum.

It flops awful, and we will be OOP. So realizing equity is knightmare.

If you feel you need to protect Vs his bluffs. A10 doesn't qualify. We have a lot of PP here, AK and AQ (now made pair) all make better choices.

Also, your open is way to large for you chip stack. Make it $15 tops. But as I stated before. Mostly fold pre.

Here is hand range that I approve of from MP first in.
66+, A2s+, KTs+, Q9s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s, AJo+, KQo

It is 15% range. That gives us good board coverage and playability postflop. Plus still makes us look like an aggtard
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11-24-2018 , 03:25 PM
Does your AT have the same two symbols, and does one of those symbols appear on the flop?
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11-24-2018 , 03:49 PM
Based on what you said about the villian, I would just pitch it here on his flop raise. I don’t think villian is raising you here to find a fold. Villian prolly has an overpair to board in spot like this and you most like have 6 outs for rough 24% equity. Just fold.
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11-24-2018 , 04:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikko
A10 is fold in straddle pot from MP.
Coming from loosest guy in this forum.
^this^

most loosen up with a straddle when we really should be tightening our range.
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11-24-2018 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Does your AT have the same two symbols, and does one of those symbols appear on the flop?
No , wasn't suited , no back door draws besides straight draw on the flop
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11-24-2018 , 08:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikko
A10 is fold in straddle pot from MP.
Coming from loosest guy in this forum.

It flops awful, and we will be OOP. So realizing equity is knightmare.

If you feel you need to protect Vs his bluffs. A10 doesn't qualify. We have a lot of PP here, AK and AQ (now made pair) all make better choices.

Also, your open is way to large for you chip stack. Make it $15 tops. But as I stated before. Mostly fold pre.

Here is hand range that I approve of from MP first in.
66+, A2s+, KTs+, Q9s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s, AJo+, KQo

It is 15% range. That gives us good board coverage and playability postflop. Plus still makes us look like an aggtard
My open was a bit loose, I was playing this image from the beginning of the session, opening a lot of pots, maybe I got a bit carried away in this spot but I expect to get called by some weaker hands pretty often given the dynamic; especially if I am heads up with the button, he will call pretty wide where my hand will play pretty well against his range
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11-24-2018 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tmo1120
effective stacks: 200


Button straddle is on for 5; I open to 20 in MP with AT; somewhere near the bottom of my opening range; I get called by Old Guy on my left, fairly passive player who seems pretty tight;


F: 233 ; I c-bet the paired board here for 25; I think I could get some folds from a large part of his range, maybe my A-high beats most of the hands that are folding so checking might be good here? He ends up making it 30 more; the small sizing tells me that he just wants to see where he is here; unlikely he has much 3X here besides 33; Could I jam here for 107 more? I think it would be a solid play bc my line would look super strong and he could only call with the top of his range (99-QQ); he would be getting 2.5 to 1 on a call so I am not sure how much FE I would have;
What you call "the top of his range" is probably most of his range. And after raising the flop I can't see him folding for another 50BB.
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11-25-2018 , 12:58 AM
ATo is a snap fold from MP 40 BBs effective. Realistically ATs is as well as boring as that may sound. A $20 open creates SPR’s of 4.5x HU, 3x 3-way and 2.25x 4-way. You’re going to find yourself stacking off with the worst of it on Axx and Txx flops too often.
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11-25-2018 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jake Stanton

most loosen up with a straddle when we really should be tightening our range.
Not sure I agree with this.

Why?
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11-25-2018 , 12:49 PM
In theory, because it shortens stacks, so you should be playing a short stack strategy, and speculative hands cant make enough post.

In practice, because we people adjust so poorly to straddles, you should be able to open or 3-bet some hands that would be marginal at best without the straddle, as many Vs will call too wide pre and then play fit or fold post. Calling opens with speculative or mediocre hands in straddled pots is definitely not good though.
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11-26-2018 , 03:01 PM
I agree with this ^ ; I feel I can open a bit wider with button straddle on if these players will be calling wider pf; especially if I am in late posistion
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