I'm not sure you totally understand how to calculate the odds in a coinflip. Doing some rough numbers in my head brought it closer to 50%.

It's a huge leak to let the results of a hand dictate your mindset, and it can turn a winning player into a losing one. Just be happy that you made the correct play and ride the variance train baby.

There is no such thing as being overrolled. There's a right and a wrong play, your bank account balance doesn't change that.

i didn't calculate anything lol i just quoted the other posters who calculated

and yes i know about mindset, easier said than done, working on it

Here's a hint: in a coinflip, the odds are close to 50:50. That's what makes it a coinflip.

heres a hint go read the thread

I have read the entire thread. Have you downloaded PkrCruncher or EquiLab and learned how to use them?

Why are you trolling this thread? Reread my post buddie, I clearly stated I did not calculate anything I quoted this thread from earlier, try to read thread again cuz its clearly stated, if you have reading comprehension issues not my problem wtf is this?

are you blind?

obviously i didnt mean literal coinflipping why are you acting like some little brat?
there you go as if I shouldve even gone out of my way to find this for you, ridiculous

stop trolling the thread.

I take it that's a "no" about EquiLab and PkrCrusher.

Coinflipping has a specific meaning in the context of poker. People talking about shoving their stacks in and flipping generally mean it's the classic pocket-pair-versus-overcards situation, like TT vs AK, in which the pocket pair is only a slight (55:45) favorite.

Calling something like the 2:1 edge AK has versus a top-60% range "coinflipping" is simply ignorant.

I'm still not convinced that calling with AK in the face of multiple large bets is as wise as everyone thinks. Last night I have AhKh in EP. I make it $25. Next guy makes it $100. Next guy calls. Next guy goes all in for $225. Back to me, and I'm facing a situation where I have $400 behind, the two guys after me also have about that much, and do I want to call, ship it or fold?

I get a tell that the guy to my left is strong and is going to ship it. Despite having read the advice here, I fold.

He ships, next guy folds, and two guys are heads up.
Guy to my left has AA. Guy with QQ folded. Guy with TT ends up flopping a set and takes it down.

So maybe this is results oriented, but I don't even have a pair! Why do I want to ship it in the face of strong hands and be behind?

Yes we should not get AK in everytime vs every player. Just like we shouldn't get JJ-QQ in in certain situations, but vs wide ranges we sure as hell should

What does this have to do with playing against maniacs? None of the players you mentioned are said to be maniacs, much less all of them. Good fold, but pointless comment for this thread, imo.

I've always considered the use of the term "coin-flip" when it refers to something like AK vs. 88 as nothing more than t.v. hype. If it's folded around to the SB & he goes all-in with his last $125.00 holding AK & the BB calls with QQ, I don't consider that a coinflip. The SB is putting in 50% of the money with 45% equity. That's -Ev long term. He needs the BB to fold some PPs often enough for the SB to win the BB w/o a fight to make up the difference.

If I get it all in on the flop with 76 vs. AK
with a flop of AQ8 I've got 39.3% equity. If my all-in represents 39.3% of the total money in the pot, that's a 'coin-flip.'

"It's a coin-flip!" makes for great t.v. excitement......nothing more.

I'm only commenting on this because it's a COTM thread and this needs to be corrected for any lurkers reading (although it is actually irrelevant to this topic and probably should be moved to my current COTM where I think it is more relevant).

The idea that shoving 62.5bb with AK heads-up can only be +EV if your opponent folds hands we beat is a grievous error. (I am sure this error is at least partially caused by the notion that we can only bet for value or as a bluff, which is why it's relevant to my COTM.) At the time we shove AK, our opponent has a random hand. Even if we suppose that our opponent plays 100% perfectly against AK, calling with all pairs but folding everything else, shoving is still +EV in this spot. We gain enough EV from the combination of protection against non-pocket pairs (which are much more common) and realizing our equity against pocket pairs (which is still significant even if we aren't a favorite) that it is worth it to shove.

I agree with CallMeVernon 100%. My comment was strictly in response to AlanBostic's claim that AK vs. PP is a classic coin-flip. That is what it's called in the poker world, however, my claim was that I believed it was born during the televised era of poker. I believe 'classic race' is a more accurate term for AK vs. PP.

I also commented on the fact that a player can have much less than 50% pot equity HU on the flop & still be in a coin-flip situation, if the % of $ he's putting in with his all-in is exactly what his pot equity is. If it's slightly more/less, than again it would be a 'classic race.'

To me, a coin-flip is being in an Ev situation that has no profit/loss long-term.

does level 2 involve paragraphs?

bump!