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09-23-2013 , 09:25 PM
Sorry if the forms is incorrect posted from my phone.

Hero is young 20s have been playing fairly aggressive against a table full of Middle Aged guys. Have been targeting the table fish who just busted and left. Current stack: 230

Villian is one of the middle aged guys and had just lost a massive pot before, definitely respects hero. He said he was tilted after he lost with 22 vs k8 on a 2kka All in with a king river. He was chip leader but now sits on about 220.

Hero is dealt kq on the button and raises to 12 after 4 limpets. Villain in bb calls and one other lumper calls. Pot (about 40)

Flop comes q 9 4 rainbow and hero Chet's 25, villian check/min raises to 50 and hero calls? My reasoning behind this was I thought he might be tilted and looking to get it in. Only hand I thought might raise for value was a q9 or 44.

Turn comes a 4 Villian looks bothered by it but bets 50 after about 20 seconds. Hero then cuts out enough to put v Allin.

Worth the value raise/ bluff in that position? Thanks!
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09-23-2013 , 09:29 PM
raise more pre, like $18-20 because there are 4 limpers in front of you. you need to thin out the field with a hand like KQo. raising to $12 makes it enticing for all 4 of the limpers to come along.

bluffing tilted villains is a bad idea. they will hero call a lot. also, what better hands is he folding here? Q9, 44, 99, 4x, AQ are all calling. what are you trying to get him to fold?
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09-23-2013 , 09:31 PM
PF raise too small after 4 limpets. Either raise to $16+ or overlimp with position and a hand that plays well multi way. Amazed only one lumper calls.

C-bet is standard. Calling the c/min-raise is spew, even vs a tilty v.

Turn raise is spewtastic. Really? What 4s are in your range? Only good against a Q9 if he likely to fold a counterfeited 2-pair, and with a tilty V, that is unlikely.
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09-23-2013 , 09:33 PM
His line is really very strong and he only has 110 back to call into a pot of 350 at that point. I don't see many people folding here
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09-23-2013 , 09:35 PM
Yeah definitely seeing this most likely was a bad spot I guess haha.
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09-23-2013 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
PF raise too small after 4 limpets. Either raise to $16+ or overlimp with position and a hand that plays well multi way. Amazed only one lumper calls.

C-bet is standard. Calling the c/min-raise is spew, even vs a tilty v.

Turn raise is spewtastic. Really? What 4s are in your range? Only good against a Q9 if he likely to fold a counterfeited 2-pair, and with a tilty V, that is unlikely.
lol garick nice
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09-23-2013 , 09:54 PM
Stupid auto correct while driving sorry about that. Yeah in the moment it seemed like villian really hated the 4 which is why I did it. He ended up saying my kings counterfeited him and folded q 9 face up. Hero then showed a king and villian was very proud of himself.
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09-23-2013 , 09:57 PM
Nh
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09-23-2013 , 10:13 PM
Well, V had the only hand you were targeting, and was not tilted enough to say F it, so results good, but still don't like the play.
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09-23-2013 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
PF raise too small after 4 limpets. Either raise to $16+ or overlimp with position and a hand that plays well multi way. Amazed only one lumper calls.

C-bet is standard. Calling the c/min-raise is spew, even vs a tilty v.

Turn raise is spewtastic. Really? What 4s are in your range? Only good against a Q9 if he likely to fold a counterfeited 2-pair, and with a tilty V, that is unlikely.
Nothing worse than a sticky pre-flop limpet or post flop lumper. Maybe sticky crumpets? Stupid English tea food.
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09-23-2013 , 11:20 PM
On that note, please don't text and drive, OP. Vera dangerous.
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09-23-2013 , 11:25 PM
lol at bluffing out one of two specific hands
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09-23-2013 , 11:28 PM
I can not believe a tilt Villian folded top two after putting in half his stack in a 1/2 game. Lol. I just can't believe it.
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09-23-2013 , 11:33 PM
I am not a pro but I think that considering you only raised 12 after four limpers,"you should never have QQ, KK, or AA." and the fact that dude showed a lot of strength and invested half of his stack, this shove is Spew to the Maximum. But at least you won so good game. Just don't try that in the future cause he shoulda snap called.
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09-24-2013 , 06:16 AM
I am v confused. Why do you want to bluff here? Qq99 < kk44 . what better hand folds?
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09-24-2013 , 06:34 AM
OP, by any chance are you that trup qq guy?
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09-24-2013 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ForesstGump
Nothing worse than a sticky pre-flop limpet or post flop lumper. Maybe sticky crumpets? Stupid English tea food.
i donno y but this just made me lol....neway yeah this is a horrible spot to turn your hand into a bluff against a tilty V ...and i cant believe he folded q9 but this is just gonna be a losing play in the long run...
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09-24-2013 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929
OP, by any chance are you that trup qq guy?
Thanks for posting this link ILOVEPOKER929. It is absolutely hilarious.
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09-24-2013 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by N0thingbutaces
Stupid auto correct while driving sorry about that. Yeah in the moment it seemed like villian really hated the 4 which is why I did it. He ended up saying my kings counterfeited him and folded q 9 face up. Hero then showed a king and villian was very proud of himself.
Nice bro. Keeping those roads safe for the rest of us.
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09-24-2013 , 11:49 AM
I'm pretty dissapointed that I didn't get to be the first one to make a limpets and lumpers joke. Damnit.
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09-24-2013 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by StillLearnin
Thanks for posting this link ILOVEPOKER929. It is absolutely hilarious.
Definitely one of the greatest threads in internet history!
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09-24-2013 , 04:16 PM
Do you know how hard it is to find an image of snails playing poker?

These are some of my favorites. Note that Lottia scutum is now Tectura scutum.

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09-24-2013 , 04:55 PM
Well what do you think you are doing lol? Value betting or bluffing? If you think he had a hand like Q9 then he's not folding. There are no better hand you can get to fold. He's not folding a 4 or a full house obv. Unlikely he has an overpair and def isn't folding if does. He might have TT or 99 but then you would be bluffing... I don't see the point in raising the turn. Just call and evaluate river
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