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correct fold of KK ? correct fold of KK ?

10-31-2016 , 09:08 PM
hi all , just a quick question about my play wondering if anyone thinks i could of called in this spot.

game : live 1/2 nlh crown casino melbourne.

table type: mostly rec players with a couple drunk friday nighters and one competent nit/reg and a couple super lags.

hero is on BTN with KK ($200)

Villian HJ (covers)- pretty straight forward player , playing all broadway combos and Ax suited hands and strong SC's. havent seen him bluff , hasnt overplayed TP hands is a reasonably competent player.

PRE- UTG limps , HJ limps , HERO raise to $8 (open my whole range with 8)
UTG calls ,HJ calls.

flop- 3d 6h 9c....... UTG checks , HJ checks, hero bets $15
UTG folds , HJ calls . i think for the HJ to call here he could have 88,77 , 9.10 , A9 , K9 ,Q9 sorts of hands , i think the way this player type plays he would raise over pairs like 10's and jj's at this point. and QQ+ would of been 3bet pre. and any draws hands like 78 , 57 are unlikely and would of been mucked pre as well

turn- 9s (3d 6h 9c) ... HJ checks , hero checks back.- not really a card i want to see, i decide to check back to avoid a check raise if holding a 9 or bloating the pot as i think the 9 hits his range very well at this point.

river - Js (3d 6h 9c 9s ) HJ checks , hero bets $26 into $57 HJ re raises to $60 , first 3bet ive seen from him since hes been at table 1.5hrs. i just couldnt see him having anything but the 9 here as he called the flop bet and and checked the turn to possibly trap with trips. i think any sort of float type line is beyond his skill level. what do yall think?

Last edited by dylmah85; 10-31-2016 at 09:36 PM.
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10-31-2016 , 09:25 PM
bet the turn...

if he is really never raising that river as a bluff raise, if he is capable, look him up...
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10-31-2016 , 09:37 PM
You need to call $34 to win $143. 1.5 hours is not enough to determine how he plays IMO. You decide how often he raises on the river with worse. Based on the description you gave I probably fold since he doesn't overplay his hands.

How important is it to have a balanced opening range in a $1/2 table? What if there are 6 limpers and you have KK on the button, do you only make it $8?

I think you should make it $15-20 with high PPs. If table adjusts, then you should adjust as well, if not take advantage of them by raising more with premium hands and less with others.
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10-31-2016 , 09:49 PM
gday soner, thanks for the reply

yes your'e right i was getting a great price to call and come to think of it if i had my time again i would of looked him up, however i do believe i was beat as he just didnt seem to be capable of making a river bluff , i think 95% of river bets in 1/2 are not bluffs.

yes i guess its not too important to balance at 1/2 as most of the players are only thinking of their own 2 cards. with KK on btn 6 limps i would definately pump up the pot for value. im actually about to write another post asking advice on opening ranges in 1/2 as there are always so many limpers and limp callers whether you raise 8 or 18
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10-31-2016 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pologuy64
bet the turn...

if he is really never raising that river as a bluff raise, if he is capable, look him up...
yeh i dont think he was capable of a river bluff, but for only $34 i could of found out cheap.
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10-31-2016 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dylmah85
. im actually about to write another post asking advice on opening ranges in 1/2 as there are always so many limpers and limp callers whether you raise 8 or 18

If you get limp/calls whether you make it $8 or $18, why would you bet $8 with premium hands?
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10-31-2016 , 10:19 PM
point taken ,i guess it makes more sense to get more money in with a premium hand when you crush your opponents range , posting here is useful already , im already starting to gain better perspective of my plays.
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11-01-2016 , 04:19 AM
As others have posted, raise more pre. I'm shocked that both blinds folded and the limpers are never folding for $6 more - you're lucky that you weren't 5-handed to the flop which is not a position you want with KK.

As played, I think I'd have to look him up here. His river check after you checked behind on the turn is a weird line if he has a 9, players would normally lead river for value as they're scared of you checking behind again.
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11-01-2016 , 04:53 AM
great advice from all , i took it with me to my session today and it definately worked , i was playing bigger pots and getting stacks in easier on flop and turn . i got stacks in while i was ahead 3 times today , unfortunately i got 2 outed 3 times today , but im still happy with my play as i got it in good and expect to profit from such plays in the future
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11-01-2016 , 05:11 AM
Some terrible advice in this thread to be honest. If your villain is INCAPBLE of bluff raising the river or raising worse for value you can fold to a $2 raise.

Don't get caught up with pot odds against very straight forward $1/$2 villains.
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