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06-26-2017 , 10:39 PM
So I was in a pretty good 2/5 game but nothing is going right. I get top 2 pair vs fish when I open BTN to $25 with 78s - flop 853 - 3 callers - bet $75 - only fish calls - turn 7 - I bet $155 - he jams for $450 more and I call. he has 64

I also lose with JJ vs AK but not a lot

A bunch of other losses, where I just miss flush draws - brick with my AK vs random hands and long story short i'm stuck about $1500.

I top up to another $1000

I get A5o in the BB and a fish playing a ton of hands opens to $15 with $230ish behind - 1 solid BTN caller and I squeeze for $55

fish calls and BTN folds - perfect

7 3 2

I bet $70 and he jams for $103 more and I call and I lose.

He has 75o.

So is my flop bet / call a mistake? I had him crushed pre but is that just really bad luck, or a mistake in my game?
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06-26-2017 , 10:44 PM
i thought the point of squeezing was to get people to fold, so why not wait for a hand with a fish in the hand? i like a5s here better for a squeeze too, but i think your flop call is fine. i don't expect your ace outs to be very dirty so you have plenty of equity.

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06-26-2017 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by yummyhumanbrains
i thought the point of squeezing was to get people to fold, so why not wait for a hand with a fish in the hand? i like a5s here better for a squeeze too, but i think your flop call is fine. i don't expect your ace outs to be very dirty so you have plenty of equity.

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a fold would of been great, and since he only opened to $15 I didn't think he was as strong as his $20 opens. I mean I didn't want him to call, but if he's gonna call he's gonna call.

I would of rather had A5s.

You would of folded this hand pre? I don't like just calling
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06-26-2017 , 11:01 PM
I think 3bet>fold>call in this case. I'd def increase my sizing. This guy called 3/4 pot with a gutter. Surely, he'll call much more, setting up a more favorable SPR for collecting his 46bb.

As far as hand planning, I think if your read is right, as it appears to have been, that he'll open and call a 3bet super wide, and you really want to push our ~9% equity difference , then make stacking as easy as possible. When we 3bet this shallow, we're not left with much maneuverability. Might as well make things as easy as we can on ourselves and go ~$75+.
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06-26-2017 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer
I think 3bet>fold>call in this case. I'd def increase my sizing. This guy called 3/4 pot with a gutter. Surely, he'll call much more, setting up a more favorable SPR for collecting his 46bb.

As far as hand planning, I think if your read is right, as it appears to have been, that he'll open and call a 3bet super wide, and you really want to push our ~9% equity difference , then make stacking as easy as possible. When we 3bet this shallow, we're not left with much maneuverability. Might as well make things as easy as we can on ourselves and go ~$75+.
He had a straight draw - not a gutter- but he did call $25 pre with 64o. Also that was a different player who was also bad. 3 or 4 fish in this game with 5 regs.

I didn't go $75 because the other reg over called the BTN and I didn't want him in but I think my $55 raise makes no sense if I wanted that. I suppose I could of gone bigger
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06-26-2017 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
He had a straight draw - not a gutter- but he did call $25 pre with 64o. Also that was a different player who was also bad. 3 or 4 fish in this game with 5 regs.

I didn't go $75 because the other reg over called the BTN. Maybe that is silly thinking
Whoops... that other fish was open ended. I think the reg is pretty capped here because he'd 3bet anything good himself to stack the fish. I wouldn't be concerned about him calling what so ever. If he does, he's either getting trappy with AA or trying to set-mine... The AA thing would be rare as that would 3bet, and if he's set mining, he'll tell us OTF and we can make our exit.

If you have reason to fear the reg... like he's super nitty, then just fold pre.
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06-26-2017 , 11:15 PM
There is nothing wrong with sacrificing perceived ev for the sake of less variance, easier spots and most importantly confidence when games will allow. For example, in the A5o hand, you make it sound like the "fish" is never going to be folding to your 3!. I think that alone makes it not the best spot to 3!. Focus more on why the bad player is bad not just that they are bad because when you 3! a hand like this in this spot this is what is going to happen.
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06-27-2017 , 12:49 AM
he plays too many hands and A5 is ahead of ATC. Turns out he called me with 75o and got there.

I unfortunately flop a hand i can't fold for how i played it.
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06-27-2017 , 12:50 AM
Not sure what's worse, light 3b a fish nursing an amputee stack w a solid player behind, or the solid player call folding the btn - Might want to redefine that guy and rethink the EV of the play. Bad spot man, not close.
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06-27-2017 , 12:59 AM
87s hand your flop and turn sizing are too large and calling off the jam was spewy.

Not sure why you are 3! a guy light with only 50 BB's.
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06-27-2017 , 01:05 AM
ya the 87 hand was atrocious. I probably should of quit after playing that hand because I defiantly wasn't thinking well. I think part of the problem was I just busted the goliath at PH for $600 and was walking to my car when I saw this really good game. I sat in there and didn't play well, and ran atrocious.

I don't think I won 1 hand in the course of 4 hours but probably could of saved $1000 if I played better.
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06-27-2017 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by djevans
he plays too many hands and A5 is ahead of ATC. Turns out he called me with 75o and got there.

I unfortunately flop a hand i can't fold for how i played it.
Ok. What do you think is the bu caling range vs the fish's open and then of that what's folding when you 3!?

Since fish is opening atc how wide are you 3! Here?
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06-27-2017 , 01:25 AM
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Ok. What do you think is the bu caling range vs the fish's open and then of that what's folding when you 3!?

Since fish is opening atc how wide are you 3! Here?
BTN range is like JT / 89 / weak ace or maybe a small pocket pair. I was thinking he was folding a lot.

My plan was to bet any flop that wasn't super connectected and I should show an immediate profit. If the flop was Q34 or K73 I would of won. I just got super unlucky that I got the flop I got.
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06-27-2017 , 01:29 AM
Again, thought you said btn was solid. His range should be miles stronger as should his perceived range.
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06-27-2017 , 02:37 AM
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Again, thought you said btn was solid. His range should be miles stronger as should his perceived range.
well he hasn't spewed any.

I played one hand against him where I had AK in the blinds

straddle - 3 limps - he goes $45 on BTN - I 3bet AK to $125 - he tank calls

T5T

I go $140
He jams all in for $600

I am forced to fold
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06-27-2017 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by djevans
BTN range is like JT / 89 / weak ace or maybe a small pocket pair. I was thinking he was folding a lot.

My plan was to bet any flop that wasn't super connectected and I should show an immediate profit. If the flop was Q34 or K73 I would of won. I just got super unlucky that I got the flop I got.
Poker strategy aside, try not to take offense to this, but I think the biggest thing holding you back is your attitude/tone. You can check my previous threads and I am sure I get defensive and act like a douche often too but trust me, you are only slowing yourself down if you use threads as an echo chamber or get as defensive as you seem to do.
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06-27-2017 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 7weeks2days
Poker strategy aside, try not to take offense to this, but I think the biggest thing holding you back is your attitude/tone. You can check my previous threads and I am sure I get defensive and act like a douche often too but trust me, you are only slowing yourself down if you use threads as an echo chamber or get as defensive as you seem to do.
sometimes when I post i'm drunk or frustrated and maybe seem like a dick.
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06-27-2017 , 10:38 PM
That 87s hand is... Ouch. That's one where I think you realized how bad that play was so you tried to make more plays to recover confidence. Sadly, that almost always ends up compounding into more errors as seen.

Squeeze is nice... It didn't work so hero goes "****"... OTF hero goes "i have outs to a hand let's c-bet and take it down" and that's a bit flawed IMO, i feel we don't have as many clean outs as we think since the aces are usually (i suppose not here specifically cuz villain is a clown) counterfeited; thus, hero can check and re-evaluate with what villain does here. Maybe we can XR here for a tricky play. villain jams the 75o here but can villain call it off with 75o? Can we float the flop if villain c-bets, and jam any scare card that helps our range against this perceived **** range of villain?

I feel there are other ideas here worth mentioning that hero did not consider.

Also, I probably just cf here and wait for a better spot without some solid intel to go for a tricky play. I don't feel we are deep enough for these type of plays so leave this hand be. Who cares about this villain doesn't have enough chips for me to take.
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06-27-2017 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
87s hand your flop and turn sizing are too large and calling off the jam was spewy.

Not sure why you are 3! a guy light with only 50 BB's.
+2

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06-28-2017 , 10:34 AM
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Not sure what's worse, light 3b a fish nursing an amputee stack w a solid player behind, or the solid player call folding the btn - Might want to redefine that guy and rethink the EV of the play. Bad spot man, not close.
this

start 3betting light at deeper stacks...we need FE and we dont have it

however, button folded his 3:1 odds IP so it cant be that bad...but i expect shortie to always call and btn to always overcall leaving us with a dog for a 3way hand OOP

hand plays itself post

call pre

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