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10-21-2014 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ALL IN!
IMO this is about the level of question where you are probably best served by asking [paying] a private coach. The publicly shared knowledge on this type of question isn't very good.

For example you said you think you're being exploited but nobody even suggested that the first thing you do is come up with a minimum defending frequency.
I think you can do the work yourself, but the above advice is probably best for the OP. It takes a couple of hours to use Flopzilla, Pokercruncher, etc. to come up with your own ranges. It is a lot of trials because people's 3bet range varies based on your and their position. You also need to try a lot of flops and know the odds of seeing those flops. The OP made the common mistake of deciding that absolute strength determines what are the best hands to flat (that's a hint).
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10-21-2014 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Olaff
How do we arrive to these numbers?
That's a good question. Basically, rely heavily on the concept of implied odds with the understanding that your implied odds vary depending on your opponents' post-flop tendencies.

How do you calculate implied odds? That is a much longer post than I am willing to write.
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10-22-2014 , 06:15 PM
Ah venice... I feel this thread particularly might be slightly above LLSNL level... What say ye lol. Move to MHFR? :P
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10-22-2014 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Olaff
Ah venice... I feel this thread particularly might be slightly above LLSNL level... What say ye lol. Move to MHFR? :P
We have a lot of different skilled posters in LLSNL. It is one of those things that players that are trying to crush 2/5 figure out before moving to 5/10. The posters that have done the work don't particularly want to share the work with those that haven't for free. Hence, you're left with doing the work yourself or paying someone to give it to you.

IMO, it is too simple a problem for the MHFR forum.
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10-22-2014 , 08:23 PM
Olaff

A buddy of mine that plays bigger games used to dropped down in stakes whenever he wanted to test something new(for a week 3/4 sess, ect ) give it a shot, drop down to 2/5 with 100BB stack and work on your flatting range at that depth, find the most aggressive game you can with with players that are capable and knowledgable, watch them and learn, even tho it will be a bit diff. From 5/10 since those games have tougher opponents I think you'll be able to answer these questions on your own and it will keep the variance manageable.
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10-23-2014 , 12:49 AM
I just went through the last 150 post that Olaff has made.
Almost all of them are asking very simple questions here (after being basically laughed out of MidStakes full ring).
A couple are posting in Psychology
A couple are posting in DGAF's well
And a couple are defending himself in a MidStakes FR Mod discussion.

ZERO are contributions to LLSNL. At least in the last 150 posts, he hasn't made a single meaningful (or even not-meaningful) contribution to anyone else's questions in this sub-forum.

In addition to this, he received some very helpful advice from a MOD:
In short, the advice was:
1) Stop posting so many simultaneous questions
2) If you really have so many interesting spots at once, group a few of them together and post
3) Actually post your thoughts, reads, analysis, etc. and let people dissect your views instead of just asking people what they would do
4) Accept criticism

Although Olaff has made SOME strides on these marks, he has not gone nearly far enough. On any given day, at least 3 of the top 15 threads are devoted to Olaff (not to mention the copy/pasted copies of his questions on other forums) asking questions without much background (seriously, posting that you are a Live 5/10 TAG who is seen as a regular every thread OR that villain is a top 20% reg does not help at all), and then just asking "what would you do?" When people try to ask him questions or get him to do some of the work himself, they often go unanswered. Finally, criticism seems to rarely (if ever) be heeded (to be fair, almost nobody takes criticism well).


FINALLY, he posts a semi-interesting topic, but a topic that others have invested a lot of time and energy devising for themselves, and he just expects other people to hand over their hard work. When they do not, he claims that it's probably over the head of people in this forum. Seriously? You don't contribute a damn thing to the forum and then insult people when they don't do lots of hard work for you.

How about this. You stop posting so many damn questions that are extremely basic, start doing some basic ev calculations yourself, start deeply analyzing your hands instead of just figuring out how quickly you can ask another question, and try contributing to other people's threads, and maybe, just maybe, we'll do some work to try to help you out. Your other option is to continue what you have been doing and we'll just start the countdown until a) people just stop responding at all or b) you get ran out of this forum also.


Sorry for the harsh tone and the directness, but your attitude and posting philosophy really bothers me. Hopefully you can look past the harshness and try to take some of my points seriously.

Best Wishes,
DUCY
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10-23-2014 , 02:11 PM
Not gonna lie, I don't actually think anyone decent would actually post any serious response for free in this sub-forum, or any forum for that matter.

So I believe the best way to gain in these experiences is to ask questions and have them bounce around to create more questions, then actually do the work on your own to answer those questions.

Thing is that most people even those that have invested the time to find this forum will not want to do any actual work on their own.
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