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12-15-2010 , 07:06 PM
I know Pot odds, expressed and implied... The thing I always see is we need to be good here 32% of the time and we x% etc etc... for example see my latest thread. I could just be leveling on it to. I am ADHD when it comes to learning new things. Maybe its something I already know but just havent had the proper explanation.
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12-15-2010 , 07:53 PM
the "we need to be good 32% of the time" thing is just pot odds. we find our pot odds and basically the percentage equivalent is what % of the time we need to hold the winning hand to make calling 0 EV, or break even.
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12-18-2010 , 01:01 PM
someone could also cover bet/folding. i think a lot of people could use an overview of this concept and the various situations to use it in (including me!). so my suggestions so far are:

- bet/folding
- how to play IO hands from EP at 1/2 and 2/5 NL, depending on table dynamic/tendencies/etc.
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12-30-2010 , 03:37 AM
i forget... there wasn't a september COTM, right?
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12-30-2010 , 06:33 AM
I second the bet-folding suggestion.

After listening to Bart Hanson's podcast, I have recently been trying to bet-fold as often as I can. It would be nice to read a COTM about when to bet-fold and when not to, though. I'd like to read more about adjustments to board textures and specific villain types (beyond: bet-fold calling stations all day long), specifically.
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12-30-2010 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by YoungLiveNit
I second the bet-folding suggestion.

After listening to Bart Hanson's podcast, I have recently been trying to bet-fold as often as I can. It would be nice to read a COTM about when to bet-fold and when not to, though. I'd like to read more about adjustments to board textures and specific villain types (beyond: bet-fold calling stations all day long), specifically.
Volunteers?

I'm not an expert on it, but if no one else does it, I can get the discussion going.
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12-30-2010 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Volunteers?

I'm not an expert on it, but if no one else does it, I can get the discussion going.
Cool, let's get it going.
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01-01-2011 , 05:27 AM
couple new ideas for 1/2 and 2/5 live COTM's:

- raising draws
- bluffing

not sure how suitable these are for COTM's. open to discussion or +1'ing.

and we still have:

- bet/folding (Jan 2011!)
- playing IO hands from EP
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01-02-2011 , 06:31 PM
also if anyone ends up doing IO hands from EP, include a section about limp-reraising!
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01-02-2011 , 09:50 PM
Anyone who wants to volunteer for these, let me know.
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01-03-2011 , 07:33 PM
i have yet another idea, so imma add it to the list:

- raising draws
- bluffing
- playing IO hands from EP (including l/rr)
- bet sizing/hand planning (inspired by http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...4&postcount=21); or more specifically: extracting value when we have the nuts and setting up river shoves

i think the last one is a big leak for a lot of beginner/intermediate players, myself included. i'm good at conveying weakness, so when i have the nuts, my brain defaults to "make it seem like you're making a crying call and then pretend to spazz on later streets" mode, which is most likely often suboptimal. would be a very useful COTM...
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01-16-2011 , 04:32 PM
Bump because I have an idea for another COTM, in this case

"learning from limit"

A lot of people IME, particularly the older generation, have began playing Hold Em in the limit variety, and are only recently playing NL as well, as well as posters on this forum such as Gobbledygook (sp) among others. Anyway, a lot of things in limit, such as calling a raise cold preflop, realising equity, play from the BB etc... are a lot different from one to the other and I think a COTM wouldnt be bad to compared and contrast the games and what we can learn from limit in our NL games. Just a thought, but if the board agrees I could write one up for Feb if no-one has anything else.

Also, about other things here such as IO hands in EP etc.... a lot of these can be game dependent and as such some people will struggle to apply this thinking to their games. General threads such as the beginners COTM are far more enjoyable IMO...
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01-16-2011 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 8o8
bet sizing/hand planning
I think this is a really good idea. Seems like once it's up there, a LOT of threads would end with someone linking to it.
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01-17-2011 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ashley12
"learning from limit"

A lot of people IME, particularly the older generation, have began playing Hold Em in the limit variety, and are only recently playing NL as well, as well as posters on this forum such as Gobbledygook (sp) among others. Anyway, a lot of things in limit, such as calling a raise cold preflop, realising equity, play from the BB etc... are a lot different from one to the other and I think a COTM wouldnt be bad to compared and contrast the games and what we can learn from limit in our NL games. Just a thought, but if the board agrees I could write one up for Feb if no-one has anything else.
It is yours. Write it up and post it in Feb. Howard Lederer wrote a good piece on Limit in the FTP Tournament book. A point was that you can strengthen parts of your NL game by playing other games where you have to be stronger than in NL. Even razz has taught me about handling bad beats. There's nothing worse than have a 4 card 6-low and missing for the next three cards.
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01-17-2011 , 09:57 PM
I would really like someone to right a COTM on betting lines. Examples, pot control, when to take free cards, when to check raise on the flop or turn, donk betting and etc. I think this will do a lot of justice on the arguments we have of what our lines should look like at LLSNL.
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01-18-2011 , 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
I would really like someone to right a COTM on betting lines. Examples, pot control, when to take free cards, when to check raise on the flop or turn, donk betting and etc. I think this will do a lot of justice on the arguments we have of what our lines should look like at LLSNL.
i think this one would be too huge. for example, donk betting could be a COTM of its own write
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01-18-2011 , 06:32 PM
Here is a thought I haven't seen yet... In many rooms they have regular MTTs that are often the first introduction to poker new players have. I know for me, hunting the tables around MTT time (before, during and after) is some of the most profitable I ever have.

So maybe a COTM on exploiting MTT players at cash tables, which should also serve to teach anyone here that is coming from that live MTT to cash game a chance to see their mistakes.

IDK it might be to simplistic, but it might spur some good learning.
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01-18-2011 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
It is yours. Write it up and post it in Feb. Howard Lederer wrote a good piece on Limit in the FTP Tournament book. A point was that you can strengthen parts of your NL game by playing other games where you have to be stronger than in NL. Even razz has taught me about handling bad beats. There's nothing worse than have a 4 card 6-low and missing for the next three cards.
+1 to this post.

When I started playing PLO 8months ago, it did wonders on my no limit holdem game. Understanding of setting up moves on future streets. That's how you play for stacks.
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01-18-2011 , 08:25 PM
I think what most people need is a basic introduction to pokerstove.
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01-18-2011 , 08:40 PM
i guess since i've been keeping a tally... i can update it:

assigned:

- learning from limit (Feb 2011 - ashley12)

unassigned:

- raising draws
- bluffing in live games
- playing IO hands from EP (including l/rr)
- bet sizing/hand planning (inspired by http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...4&postcount=21) -> or more specifically: extracting value when we have the nuts and setting up river shoves
- exploiting MTT players
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01-18-2011 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by thesilverbail
I think what most people need is a basic introduction to pokerstove.
It is two clicks away when in the FAQs.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...ration-403010/
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01-18-2011 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
It is two clicks away when in the FAQs.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...ration-403010/
Then maybe people need a refresher. I see a lot of hand-waving in this forum and very little actual range estimation/equity calculations.
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01-18-2011 , 10:28 PM
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Then maybe people need a refresher. I see a lot of hand-waving in this forum and very little actual range estimation/equity calculations.
That might have something to do with people making fundamental mistakes and others disagreeing that they made fundamental mistakes.
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01-18-2011 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by thesilverbail
Then maybe people need a refresher. I see a lot of hand-waving in this forum and very little actual range estimation/equity calculations.
There's no question that many live 2+2ers are fairly weak technically compared to on-line 2+2ers. The only way to change that is to show people that there is this FREE tool that makes decision making so much more accurate.

If they don't want to use it, then that's the way it is.
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01-18-2011 , 11:27 PM
Putting someone on a range of hands is very important but as we are 'live' players, putting somebody on a particular hand should often be very possible.
That said, Split has a great FREE video on using Poker Stove on his website (or at least he did.) I think the link is in the COTW that he did (I'm on my BB or I'd look it up.)
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