This is just patently false. Show me an online database from a winning player who has lost EV calling from the SB. I suspect you will have a hard time finding one. That doesn't mean they are net positive from the SB, but that their $ lost per hand is less than 1 small blind. I know mine was when I played online. And this was in much tougher games with lots of blind vs. blind battles.

Tommy Angelo's oversimplified advice is fine for new players. You can easily be a winning player at live 1/2 by following your advice and folding every hand that isn't raise worthy. But there is absolutely money to be made completing the small blind with the right hands at the right tables.

lol I'm leaving money on the table by folding hands with playability when I have a post flop edge vs player pool

[45s-JQs]- we can safely put these in our completing range and be completing a pretty narrow range from this position. (13.3% of hands)

I think It's a bit too nitty and your overfolding here so I think this is a agree to disagree type of spot here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbrSkbNCoaA&t=5s

SC are not slam-dunk completes. They are the edge case. J6s isn't even a question. It's total garbage.

SCs suck OOP, and should only be completed if there are a million limpers and stacks deep enough to give some IOs when you flop a monster. If there is one limper, you should be folding 78s or raising it, AINEC.

Also, if you have all the answers, why are you asking?

J6 isn't a connector ?

I definitely don't have the answers , I just think the connectors aren't really a part of the range that is questionable due to the amount of playability they have

I think the whole point of starting a thread is to agree some and disagree some, sorry if it sounds like im being conceded; I really don't have a definitive plan right now for this topic and I'm working on establishing one

AINEC?

and honestly i like when people disagree with me bc it gives me a chance to learn and I always respect the other side of the debate even if I'm not sold on it right away

As you will see above, you used J6s as an example of a hand you thought was on the edge.

And SCs have a ton of playability in position. OOP they are often hot garbage, sometimes good enough to go with. SCs are your line. In some amazing situations, even S1Gs are completeable. OS gappers are trash. Suited trash like J6 is trash.

AINEC stands for "and it's not even close." I'll add it to the acronym list.

Ok the fact that I think it's on the border shows that I'm completing way too wide, I got some work to do

thanks for the advice

This is an awesome thread. It validates the reasons I spend so much time reading the HH's and advice from the experts in here (you know who you are).

When I first started to play seriously, I always had the first level thought of... Why not throw that extra dollar in with 6/2 offsuit, who knows, you might flop 5 4 3. Obviously, after getting stacked so many times with this thought process, I learned.

Thanks guys for your thoughts. I rarely complete in this position and base my play on a lot of the advice offered here by those I respect. Occasionally, boredom will set in and I will complete with a garbage hand, take it across the mouth which will allow me to go back to disciplined folds that are required and appropriate.

Please continue the debate!!

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If you can see a flop w a nut/second nut making hands for .5 bb pre against the worst players in the world postflop then do so. Just don’t call w hands that need to make quads to stack off.

I likely play too loose out of the SB with the glaring issue being for me that my SB range is pretty much my Button range (facing multiple limps). I'll typically play any pair, any two broadway, any Axs, sometimes any Kxs, and then pretty much any single or double gapped connecter (sooted or unsooted). If BB is raisey or none of the multiple limpers are completely horrible, I'll tighten up more.

I'm often just ~nutmining. If I flop a mediocre hand, I mostly just check/fold it; I'll be wrong some of the time but incorrectly folding the best hand in a small pot ain't a huge mistake.

However, I will say I'm likely too loose (perhaps a baddish habit left over from earlier years where my number one goal is to get into a pot for cheap). It's hard getting paid off and playing off OOP (something that can't be overlooked), and those $2 completes in my 1/3 NL blind structure do eventually add up. However, I'm not *too* worried about it as this situation doesn't occur all that often (i.e. multiple limps to something playable for me in my SB). Kinda like always playing exactly 72o UTG (and not any other garbage hand as too many of these will undoubtedly add up to horrendously unprofitable); it's undoubtedly a mistake, but it's hardly going to make a difference either if you're check/folding any non-nut flop.

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