Hello...

Typical soft passive game: NL1000 (~NL300 USD). I just joined the table an orbit ago and I've won one hand withot showdown after donk-betting on flop and turn versus the Villian on this hand.

So, seven people limp and I check with 2c-6s. I've ~1500 and the pot is 70$. The flop is 3c-4s-5h. SB checks I bet 55$, UTG folds, UTG+1 (~1100) raises to 110$ everybody folds to the SB who thinks and thinks and folds.

What do you think is the best move here? Calling is not an option, right? If we 3-Bet are we happy te call a shove?

Thanks, guys!

i played a very very simillar hand at 5/10 a few weeks ago where i flopped the 2nd nut strait in the BB in a limped pot. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/11...sively-881292/

i'ld advocate prob just c/callin down after you get minraised. 67 is so likely but obv we are not folding. raising gets almost every thing we beat to fold

I'd just get this in, if he has 67 he's gonna value bet you all the way anyways, might as well get the max value from sets and 2 pairs.

This seems like a good spot to intentionally keep villain's range wide, which means you're looking to call here and check/call turn. Check call river if he bets turn, or donk river if he checks turn behind. I'd consider folding if a 6 hits and he gets pretty excited about it.

I don't mind taking a c/c line on this hand since theres no scare cards for you. If the board pairs and he comes hard at it I'd probably back off but yeah.

I think if you 3 bet here a good villain can get away from 2p but if you c/c down they will bet hard to protect on that board.

A+

You don't want to fold out the only hands you beat with a 3bet. You'll lose your whole stack every time you're behind and when you're ahead, villain will often fold.

check/cold calling 110 in a limped pot is super strong. We're not keeping anyone's range wide by calling, what we're doing is making sure that they only value bet the top of their range, and they get to see cheap turn and river cards with the rest of their range. Just get it in.

It's not check/cold call, it's donk/call min-raise.

And Sooo many donkeys do that with dominated hands, that even though doping so as a correct play is strong, that line is definitely not perceived as strong. In fact, donk flop/call min-raise, then check/fold turn is a ridic common line. I know it was the first leak of mine I identified, and I still took two months to stop doing it after I ID'd it.

I think a call here keeps villain betting his set/two-pair to protect it against your "obv straight draw."

Hello,

thank you all for your answers.

Let's debate a little before results. I don't agree with the idea that raising makes Villains folds everything but the nuts. I expect that if he doesn't shoves, at least will call with sets and low straight.

Also, I think that try keep the pot as small as we can it's going to be hard OOP because, as Bluegrassplayer said, if he has the nuts he is going to bet all at some point anyway.

I think I would only call the raise with the intention of Bet/Calling all-in on turn or Check/Raising all-in on turn but, as someone said, that makes that Villain can see a cheap card and hit a full house, for example.

Sorry for my grammar. Hope you can understand at least something jojo.

Results:

I 3-Bet to 350, Villans Insta-All in for 1125 and I Insta Called. He showed 6-7 and won. Later, SB told he folded A-2 :-O.

345r is a much different flop texture than 89Tr. While similar in terms of connectivity, there are a lot more limpy playable hands that connect with the latter hand: 8T, 89, 9T, JT, J9, QT, KT, AT, QJ, KQ, KJ, 88, 99, TT, 78, 88, 99, TT, and the discounted: T8, 79, 7T.

The former has the same set combinations, but the pair + straight draw, two pair combinations, gutshots should be discounted simply because things like 23, 24, 25, 26, 34, 35, 36, 56, 68, 69 etc are just way less playable.

Meaning, that I would play 26 much more carefully on a 345 flop than J7 on an 89T flop.

I actually think the opposite. Given that it's a limped pot, a set and 2 pairs are much more likely here, than if the board was 8/9/10