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V1: Young, somewhat laggy, watches poker on TV, thinks but spews. $350.

V2: MAWG, new to table. $225.

I cover in the BB.

V1 makes it 12 UTG + 2. V2 promptly calls, directly behind him.

I have TT in BB. I could raise but I neither want to turn my hand into a bluff nor create a big pot OOP. So I call. I wouldn't hate a small raise, to really stick it to small PPs, suited connectors, etc. But there are so many bad flops and at least one of these guys can bluff us.

Flop 989 I check.

V1: C-bets $20. This is a typical spew from him (imo) and I think he bets almost anything because the board is paired middle cards. So far, I'm happy.

V2: thinks for just a second and calmly calls. This is tricky.

We are very likely ahead of V1 but he could easily have 6 outs and maybe some backdoors to go with them.

V2: Is usually going to have either draw (most of which are pretty big), or is slow playing a monster. He might have something like JJ. So, we are probably either ahead, but not by a ton, or crushed. It's also possible, but not very likely with this timing, that he has something like 77 an 8 or, this being 1-2, something like AQ w/o the FD.

I think we now have to figure out a pretty precise plan for the next 2 streets with the goal of preserving our equity/getting value when ahead and dumping the minimum when crushed.

The pot is just under $100.

call, check turn, see what happens. mostly fold to further action.

I slightly prefer call flop also but just giving up now isn't terrible. With two opponents and a hand that likes almost no run outs just getting out of the way cheaply is not a bad play. In any case unless you catch a ten your trying to get to the river cheaply. Check and evaluate on turn with a plan to fold to any good sized bet.

Folding is ridiculous. Pot is $76 and only $20 to call. Folding is terrible and shouldn't even cross your mind.

Hand plays easier if you have better reads on V1. What is opening range? Do we have 10 of diamonds?

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If V1 is opening wide UTG then this needs to be a 3bet. TT is too strong a hand to be playing as a set mine.

This flop would play much better with initiative. I don’t love calling and x turns to V1, nor do I love raising (but think it’s better than x/c/x).

I suppose that leaves me with a super rare line (for me) of x/c flop -> lead safe turns which is any non- 2-7 while x the rest of the deck.

If you flat TT pre in a multiway pot, then you're just set mining and need to fold if you whiff and the other players both show interest. I would've 3bet pre, so I wouldn't be playing TT just to set mine, but you can't just switch gears like that in a multiway pot.

Do you hold the Td?

I like Johnny's suggested line. C/r here seems terrible against two players and when we block several of the big draws (moreso if we hold Td)

We do not have TD.

His range is pretty wide. I think it includes a lot of things like suited connectors and suited aces. He is not always opening with these hands but he is the type who likes to open a wide variety of hands.

I thought it was close, as I said. What kind of sizing/goal do we have?

We can either 1) Go kind of small and make them put in more money with worse hands, many of which we crush. But then we are going to be out flopped a lot and also have a lot of flops OOP that are hard to play and V1 can bluff us occasionally.

2) Go big and sort of turn our hand into a bluff, or at least dare one or both of them to make a terrible call with worse than TT. If they do, whatever happens post, they've over paid for it. And taking it down against KQ, AJ, etc is a nice result.

However, JJ,QQ, AK, AQ are all in V2s range. At least in my area, people show up with KK here somewhat often and these days, occasionally AA. So, I guess if V2 calls (with or without v1) we are playing very cautiously on the flop?

We also lose some post flop value against v1, who c-bets too much and spews in other ways.

Get out of the mindset that 3! TT is turning your hand into a bluff.

You are effectively readless on V2 so giving him stuff like QQ+ is a mistake, as is MUBsing him for JJ.

Taking this down preflop is a fine result. Seeing a flop is not the end of the world either.

No TD

I think this is an overstatement. If V2 folds the flop, I'm quite happy here so I'm not just set mining.

A fold might be kinda OK post if I think V1 is usually value betting rather than C-betting everything, but I'm up against a weak hand and a draw too often to give up.

A small CR, would force V1 to fold a bunch of hands with equity (at least against us).

I think V2 almost always calls, though it wouldn't be unheard of for him to fold JJ and he folds the occasional AQ and stuff, which is good.

If he shoves, we know we are crushed and don't lose that much money, but do lose the 2 outer for a lot of chips.

Though, I think he mostly just calls with his monsters, leaving us in an awkward position going forward. We definitely don't want to CR then continue shoveling money in, but I don't think CR small, then getting passive is bad.

Call/check is pretty bad I think. Every time you're ahead, it will be checked around on the turn.

So I took Johnny's call/bet line. Turn was a black 4. I bet 55 (too much). V2 shoved. I folded.

However, I could have made it $50 on the flop and 1) perhaps lost less money. 2) charged good draws and folded out bad ones.

I can then obviously c/f to bad turn cards. Good cards like this one are tougher. But I still think the c/r is better than calling flop, checking turn or folding.

Points taken, thanks.

What would you make it, given v1s weak range?

There's nothing inherently wrong with 3betting or calling pf. We're going to be OOP for the hand so I'd lean towards a 3bet with a LAGGY UTG+2. As Johnny said, a win pf is a nice result.

By calling, you're essentially set mining. Sure, you can take the hand if nobody bets at it on the flop, but most of the value is coming from hitting your set. As played, a x/c is fine on the flop. Our goal though is to see a cheap showdown. With the blank turn, just check and hope nobody bets. I'd probably call a turn bet especially if V2 folds. If we can get to HU on the river and diamond comes, I'm betting unless it is the ace. I think we see a fold often enough from someone who is "thinking" they don't want to pay off our FD.

Boy given these villain descriptions I advocate a raise at some point either 3b pre or raise now


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