So I created this account to post this hand that I'm still not really sure how to play on this spot.

Hero has been at the table for about 1h30, villain for about 1h. We're 11-handed, playing 9 hands of nl and 2 hands of plo each round. $2 on the button. We both have about $320ish. Villain limps a lot in nl. His post flop play is not really remarkable, a little aggressive sometimes, but nothing mostly folds or calls with a draw to check the river. We played one hand before. I was on the CO. There were a couple of limpers, including him, and I raised to $12 with 36. Got 2 calls. The flop came TT3. They both checked and I bet -2/3 pot. Other guy folded and he called. Turn is an offsuit K. He checks and I check behind. River is an offsuit 7. He checks, I check behind and he shows A2 and I take the pot with my pair of 3s. He probably sees me as tight aggressive, because other than this hand, I wasn't playing much due to being absolutely card dead.

Now here's the hand.

Hero is BTN with K8. UTG limps, it gets folded around to the CO, who makes it $6. I call, UTG calls.

Flop is TJQ. UTG checks, CO checks, Hero to act. $18 on the pot.

Hero bets $15. UTG folds, Villain raises to $40.

What do you do here? Do you call? Do you raise? If so, how much? Say you get to the turn and it's a Q, what do you do then if villain bets 60% of the pot? What do you do if he checks?

I'll be around if you guys have any questions, really looking for some input here.

Edit - also, what range do you assign to Villain when he makes this raise on the flop?

I am prepared to gii on this flop, so I raise. He didn't raise the nut flush draw in the other hand, so doubt he has it here, although it is possible.

Of course, he could easily have some of our outs, but if I'm playing this hand, I'm not folding this flop. You could call, but will you get paid if you hit?

Just flat in position and look to improve and then find some value. I would immediately fold facing a bet on Q turn. Whatever he has he's playing it extremely poorly.

3! to $120/call a shove. Too many turn cards kill any action so I want him to GII now since he seems interested. And if he finds a fold now then that isnt an awful result either since we only have King high.

If we had started the hand with 170 or less, I would typically just get it in in this spot but TBH that's probably a small leak.

Against this passive player, I expect to be up against made straights the majority of the time. With these stack sizes I flat the raise. Most of the time we'll miss. But when I hit, he's going to pay us $130. I might even check back the turn if we hit because it will be hard to get paid 2 betsand he's more likely to pay us on the river.

Based on villain's description and previous play he's repping a big hand. Do you really think you have much FE at this point? Because I'd only 3 bet here if I thought villain was folding a good percentage of the time.

I'm just calling the flop raise.

I'm not sure I want him to fold, but I'm fine if he does. The only way I call here is if I think I'll get paid if the flush comes (or the straight if he doesn't have it).

Don't think I need a ton of FE with 12 outs to the likely best hand and 3 more to a King high str8. but I don't think the FE is 0 either. I just don't like the idea of anything slowing down V on the turn when he seems willing to play a big pot now (for the two pair/set/str8 portions of this range).

We're 46% against {TT,AKs,K9s,98s,AsTs,Ts9s,K9o,98o} and deep enough so that it's pretty marginal EV to 3b/gii without FE. If we think he'll c/r much wider than this, then by all means fire away. But based on descriptions, it's optimistic to give him a lot more than this or assume we have much FE. I kinda doubt this V ever shows up with 54s or KQ.

Flatting is roughly neutral EV in the worst case where V never puts in another chip when we hit an out, and given history we can almost certainly get some value. I'd play super straightforward after flatting. Fold to any decent sized bet on a Q turn. On a brick, call any not-huge bet & check behind if checked to.

You're not sure if you want him to fold? You have K high. You're about a 45-55 dog against his c/r range (assuming he has at minimum something like KQ or KT). I'm not sure why I'm shoveling money into this pot if I have little to no FE.

Now, you guys may be right that 3 betting is correct if you assume you have more than say 5% fold equity. I'm just questioning you wanting to jam here WANTING a call.

Villain is laying you great odds to just call here and see the turn. That's my vote, unless you don't mind the variance AND think he'll fold more than %5 of the time.

(BTW please correct any of my math or thinking here if it's wrong)

Both have $305 behind before V raises otf & $48 b4 rake & raise = $658 or $650 raked & Hero's $305 is 47% of the pot. 53.9% to make str8/flush by the river if all your outs are good & no RIO vs. a set.

"Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya' punk?" - Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry

As Zunelt mentioned above, if you view passive villain's raise to 40 as a shove then our pot odds are 47%.

This is what I think our equity is vs Villain's range:

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

37,620 trials (Exhaustive)

board: QJT

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Ks8s	44.44%	15,105	3,230
AK,K9,98,AsTs,Ts9s	55.56%	19,285	3,230

Nb: I've taken out the sets but I've left in AsTs,Ts9s but removing these 2 combos doesn't effect the overall result much.

If the range is correct and villain isn't folding then committing on the flop is a tiny bit -ev.

I have to admit I'm in the feeling lucky camp. I don't mind variance like this, especially if I'm playing K8 sooted. (And, yes, I would have folded to the raise pre. I would not have even limped with this hand.)

On a board like this against a strong range I'd much rather call than 3bet. Much much rather. You're getting good odds to see a turn in position, you likely have no fold equity, and often fewer outs than you think. I see no good reason to 3bet, unless you just feel like gambling.

What card, exactly, do we want to see on the turn besides a spade? Are we going to make any more money if we hit a spade? I highly doubt it. I'd rather use any fold equity I have (although still not sure I want the fold, but can't knock it with K-high) and see two cards.

We can definitely disagree, though. As stated, I'd never be here.

A non-spade Ace would be perfect - especially if he has K9 or AK. We could jam the monies in with a freeroll to the second nuts.

Yes, we can make more money (especially if we're willing to take the risk of checking back a spade turn so we can bomb the river).

Fwiw, if he doesn't have AK then we have direct express odds to draw to our 9 spades and 3 non-spade aces i.e calling would be break-even. Our pot odds are 25.5% and our chance of hitting one of our outs is also exactly 25.5%. But I think it's too pessimistic to think this guy never pays us more if the spade comes and it might be optimistic to think we have much fold equity on the flop once we know the passive guy has woken up with a hand.

I just put this guy on a made straight almost always.

So, we are calling to chop? And, we think this passive player will pay us off if a spade hits? (Hard to believe he has K9, but anything is possible.) If the turn is a blank, we just fold? I'd almost rather just fold now, especially if I think he has a straight. Seriously, if we put him on a straight almost always, and it's much more likely to be AK than K9, shouldn't we just fold?

Yes, if you put him on only AK and you think you can't get any more money if a spade comes then you should just fold rather than call or jam.

I put him on AK/K9/T9 and I think I will get more money sometimes if a spade or ace comes so I'm going to call rather than try to get him to fold a straight.

75% of the the time I'll miss my hand and have to give up. 25% of the time I'll have a good chance of getting him to pay me more money. If its a spade I probably check back the turn and go for a bet of 130 on the river. If it's a non spade ace I want to try jamming the turn.