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Old 08-10-2018, 02:22 AM   #1
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Combo draw with 86 in 1/3

1/3/but straddles 6.
Ep (200) is a weak/passive player who limps a lot.

But (400) is a LAG tournament player who just won a tourney before sitting down. Heís been involved in ~50% of the hands in the past orbit and a half. Straddling every opportunity.

Hero (550) has an aggressive image, I have been raising limps and barreling frequently.

Ep limps. Folds to hero in BB 68dd calls. BUT checks.

(19) Flop T73ssd
Hero bets 20. Fold. Call.
(59) Turn Ad
X 25. Hero raises to 95. Call.
(249) Riv 5c
X all in. Fold.

I decided to check/raise the turn instead of double barreling mainly because I wanted to set up a river shove and I also thought it might give me more fold equity.

The plan was to shove the river on any diamond, spade or 9.

Is the turn play a spew?



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Old 08-10-2018, 03:12 AM   #2
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Re: Combo draw with 86 in 1/3

You can't really take this line. There's a significant likelihood you got outbluffed here. What could button have?

One pair aces? Not likely since most of those hands muck the flop.
Flopped two pair or set? He'd have raised the flop.
Aces up? Not AT because he'd have raised pre. A7 and A3 are possible but he might have just shoved the turn on this drawish board. A5 is definitely possible.

Conversely, there are a million random draws he could have that he would play exactly like this. In general you should not be bluffing the turn on drawish boards and then giving up on the river. Commit to the bluff.

x/r turn is probably a good line against a spazzy LAG who is going to just bet if he has something like JT. Against a good player, I'm not sure. It's difficult because just continuing to pound out two streets after the ace turn is kind of transparently an overbluffy line, because there are few combos of two-street value hands and a ton of bluffs. You probably get called down by a bare ten a lot. What to do about that I'm not sure.
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Old 08-10-2018, 12:35 PM   #3
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Re: Combo draw with 86 in 1/3

As played i feel like you have to jam river. He can have XsXs with or without a weak pair, he can have 89, maybe KJdd that floated flop. Anyways he can definitely have hands that are a snap fold on the river and we're basically repping a set or bluffs so even if he has 2pair it's not a great spot (not saying he'll fold that lol but still)

Seems bad to giveup this river. Also I would bet turn instead of x/r but meh. x/r can't be too bad but only if you think he's betting turn at a high freq.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:17 PM   #4
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Re: Combo draw with 86 in 1/3

It’s much better to bluff this hand when spades brick than when they get there. Villain has a ton of spade draws and you don’t block them.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:21 PM   #5
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Re: Combo draw with 86 in 1/3

^^ villain has literally every spade combo available
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:20 PM   #6
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Combo draw with 86 in 1/3

Thanks for the replies, I get what youíre saying that he has a lot of weak hands in his range when he calls on the turn. With his pot odds and implied odds heís justified in calling with many straight draws, flush draws, pair+gut etc. and then the river bricks off. So I can see how shoving could be the best play.

But also when formulating the plan on the turn. My first idea is to calculate the EV of the play if I check raise the turn and only bet the river if I hit my hand. I c/r to 95 to win 85. And when called I get there 30% of the time. So I need about 35% folds on the turn to break even with this play.

Then I look for other ways to win the pot if I donít hit my hand, and I was thinking my range is very polar when I take this line to sets/2 pairs and draws. So I thought bluffing spades would be a good option there for my range. But yes I suppose brick rivers are actually the better rivers to bluff given what Iíve read in the comments


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