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10-21-2013 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
Just take a screenpic of the graph and post the pic...
How do I take a screenpic of a Poker Journal graph on my IPhone and get it onto my computer?

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10-21-2013 , 05:45 PM
If you have an iPhone, press the 'home' button and the power button at the same time to take a picture of your screen.

Then, go to your photo library and e-mail the photo to yourself.
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10-21-2013 , 06:13 PM
Let's see if this works...



ETA: Wtf, I guess I'm doing something wrong on linking Photobucket image?

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10-21-2013 , 06:31 PM
It should say [ IMG]imagelocation. com[ /IMG] (without the spaces)
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10-21-2013 , 07:44 PM
If you haz your photobucket set to auto-upload images, it should be in your photobucket account, and you can just copy/paste the link.
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10-22-2013 , 10:52 AM
Another attempt:

ETA: Finally!



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10-22-2013 , 11:20 AM
Lol that is the most consistent, straight line climb I have ever seen.

Nice work.

May I ask, what is you standard deviation?
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10-22-2013 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Lol that is the most consistent, straight line climb I have ever seen.
Seems a lot more upward in the last year, like crazy upward (32-3 streaks will do that), which is why I don't have much faith in my winrate. For instance, notice the breakevenish stretch at the beginning of 2012; I seem due for another one. But, no downswings of any kind (yet to book a 5BI downswing). My guess is that I'm running good lately. Although on the other hand, my first 1.5 years at 1/3 NL I also won at a consistent rate even though I was fairly noobish (~100 hours of 1/2 NL before that), and I think my style has changed a bit over the last half of this total time period (i.e. more passive preflop, etc.) which might be a reason (other than luck/variance) for the increase.

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May I ask, what is you standard deviation?
Poker Journal has me at $176.34/hour. I'm a clueless noob when it comes to standard deviation. Keep in mind the majority of these entries (i.e. pre Poker Journal) I only recorded my time and win/loss; I didn't record my total amount bought in / cashed out (which I do now) and I'm not sure if that affects standard deviation.

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10-22-2013 , 11:38 PM
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yet to book a 5BI downswing
Be very happy about this. I've burned 5BI in a bad weekend with my money in ahead

It eventually happens. But I guess that's one of the benefits to the low hand count in live poker, you may never see truly disgusting variance.
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10-23-2013 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Another attempt:

ETA: Finally!



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Delivers!!!

Nice graph mate, definitely see that steepening (i reckon that's a word) in the last year or so
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10-28-2013 , 02:10 PM
Gonna admit, I read the whole thing and this is impressive. Congrats sir

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10-28-2013 , 04:30 PM
GG

Just listened to some of your Youtube songs. Pretty good man. Is that you singing I assume?

Biggest musical influences? What I heard sounded like a cross between Elliott Smith and William Fitzsimmons.
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10-28-2013 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
GG

Just listened to some of your Youtube songs. Pretty good man. Is that you singing I assume?

Biggest musical influences? What I heard sounded like a cross between Elliott Smith and William Fitzsimmons.
Yes, me singing (and all instruments, it's a solo activity). I cried when I first heard my recorded voice played back, I hate it, but it is what it is and there's nothing I can do about it.

Was a big fan of Elliott Smith when I first started recording, plus I liked how he doubled+ a lot of his vocal tracks, so I usually do the same on most of my recordings to try to help the vocals suck less. Never heard of William Fitzsimmons, will have to google him.

Speaking of vocals, I just found out that Lou Reed passed (what can I say, I sorta go into a self contained cocoon on the weekend and only catch up on news during the week at work on the internet). Can't say I was ever a huge fan, but I definitely dig a lot of his songs (Heroin, Waiting For My Man, Run Run Run, Walk On The Wild Side, Rock'n'Roll are all on my playlist). I wonder what he thought about his vocals the first time he heard them? And yet they fit his style perfectly. I've always been a fan of ragged vocals (Neil Young, J Mascis, Hayden, etc.) but they have to be real and raw and not forced; I can't do that.

ETA: I think I have most of my musical influences written on the sites I've posted songs on. Teenage Fanclub have been my favourite band for going on 20 years. I love Hayden (Desser). Probably picked up a guitar thanks to Neil Young. Learned barre chords thanks to Nirvana's Nevermind playbook. Lately getting a lot more quiet / mellow in my old age, and I'm looking forward to the Iron & Wine concert I'm going to next weekend.

ETA: Just checked out that William Fitzsimmons, wow killer Sam Beamish beard! I tried growing my beard out a bit (not even remotely close to what these guys have) and it didn't really take (although I didn't mind it, my wife hated it). So now I've trimmed it right now so it's all neat and tidy and gay. So, beards, yah.

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10-28-2013 , 08:54 PM
Read the entire thread. Very impressive, subscribed. Hope the rungoot stays with you!
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10-28-2013 , 09:06 PM
Gg if going for mellow try William Fitzsimmons "Gold in the Shadow" and Radical Face "Ghost". Those are two of my go to albums during long sessions
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10-29-2013 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
Gg if going for mellow try William Fitzsimmons "Gold in the Shadow" and Radical Face "Ghost". Those are two of my go to albums during long sessions
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll try to check them out.

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01-03-2014 , 01:46 AM
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01-03-2014 , 12:11 PM
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Ha!

No, I just don't think it's a blog thread so I don't update it unless someone asks me a question.

See Winrates thread for my recently posted (January 2, 2014) 2013 results plus overall-to-date results.

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01-03-2014 , 11:52 PM
Just joined the site and read all of this, congrats on the win rate, I'm pretty much exactly the same demographic as you with similar but slightly different strat. I prefer open raise to $7 in 1/2 atc in my range to block the overraise behind me instead of limping lower hands in my range. It looks like you raise Pf and bet on the flop a lot higher than I do. I ran into a player like you trying to win Pf or on the flop more than not, I get it now after reading your guide.. Post flop I'm trying to play the hand more like a limit hand, betting ~$12/$17/$22 (or river check) instead of bigger bet/check/call with tptk type hands. I mainly play in a $200 max 1/2 game so that is a big part of that.

I'm at +10,000 for my 1000 hours over three years, I'll be staying at hooters hotel while you're at one of the nice hotels!

Thanks for the effort in writing it all this, hope the slope of your graph keeps increasing.
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01-05-2014 , 12:02 PM
Awesome stuff here. i found my game was much more profitable when i the stuff mainly out HOC BOOKS, lately ive i think ive read too many books and apply stuff wrong and basically get myself in pot committed jams.

think im going to try your methods instead of trying out stuff that i dont fully grasp.

Our games here are 1/2 not 1/3 - you still advocate 15 pf raise and $5 more for each limper or 10. im thinking 15 for 1/2 also since i play with a mix of retirees and young players and 10 doesnt accomplish the hus 3 way plan

your ranges, you dont play any pps lower than 99 or have i read something wrong, are you limping any pp in lp or still cutting off around 99

same question with your suited connectors and gapped, how low whats your cut off point

what i think i like about your strategy it appears to keep you out of a lot of trouble spots and you generally seem to have a strong range when you continue

gone so far as to make over 100 flash cards off your pf thru river strategies and other gems you answered in this thread
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01-06-2014 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Supd
Thanks for the effort in writing it all this, hope the slope of your graph keeps increasing.
Thanks!

1500 hour update which I just passed with my first session of 2014:

1501:20 hours @ $30.69/hr (10.23 bb/hr).

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01-06-2014 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Truthtella
Awesome stuff here. i found my game was much more profitable when i the stuff mainly out HOC BOOKS, lately ive i think ive read too many books and apply stuff wrong and basically get myself in pot committed jams.

think im going to try your methods instead of trying out stuff that i dont fully grasp.

Our games here are 1/2 not 1/3 - you still advocate 15 pf raise and $5 more for each limper or 10. im thinking 15 for 1/2 also since i play with a mix of retirees and young players and 10 doesnt accomplish the hus 3 way plan

your ranges, you dont play any pps lower than 99 or have i read something wrong, are you limping any pp in lp or still cutting off around 99

same question with your suited connectors and gapped, how low whats your cut off point

what i think i like about your strategy it appears to keep you out of a lot of trouble spots and you generally seem to have a strong range when you continue

gone so far as to make over 100 flash cards off your pf thru river strategies and other gems you answered in this thread
Regarding preflop raising, lately I've been toiling with this idea (which I think I've actually always had bouncing around in my head but have just recently verbalized it): If a preflop raise isn't likely to get things HU / 3way at worse OR setup an SPR where I'm happy stacking off postflop with a TP type hand, then I shouldn't raise preflop. I actually think it's a pretty solid idea, although I'm sure some will disagree. So that's basically my answer to your preflop raise sizing question.

Regarding pocket pairs, yes you've misread as I'm never open folding a pocket pair. My default is to open limp 99- and open raise TT+ in EP, although see my preflop raising idea from above (which means in loose juicy games I'm perfectly happy open limping bigger pairs as well). In LP if the pot looks like it is going to go multiway, I'm usually overlimping 99-, but if it looks like it isn't going multiway (i.e. 0/1 limper to me in LP with tightish blinds) then I'm more open raising any hand I'm playing.

As for suited connectors, I'm typically open limping suited broadway hands in EP. I typically wait for LP before attempting to overlimp weaker suited connectors / offsuit gappers (although if there has been a bunch of EP limpers I'm usually cool attempting to overlimp in MP if table is passive).

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01-06-2014 , 01:08 PM
We have a lot of similarity in our games, GG /but my winrate is higher ;-P

I have thoughts on this:

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Regarding preflop raising, lately I've been toiling with this idea (which I think I've actually always had bouncing around in my head but have just recently verbalized it): If a preflop raise isn't likely to get things HU / 3way at worse OR setup an SPR where I'm happy stacking off postflop with a TP type hand, then I shouldn't raise preflop. I actually think it's a pretty solid idea, although I'm sure some will disagree. So that's basically my answer to your preflop raise sizing question.
My default is similar to this. As I've adjusted from online to live, my preflop raising range/aggression (and 3ball range) and has steadily dropped. Basically, live players make big mistakes both preflop and postflop, but their postflop mistakes are for a LOT more chips so I want to be in more of those spots with them.

Caution, though, to other players reading this comment: this does not mean there is a formula here where you can always overlimp or overcall with a static range and print money. There is no formulaic way to play full ring deep stacked NLHE. If you're searching for a formula, then you don't understand poker and you're asking the wrong questions. You're going to have to think and adjust to exploit what your table mates are doing.
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01-06-2014 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp
We have a lot of similarity in our games, GG /but my winrate is higher ;-P

I have thoughts on this:



My default is similar to this. As I've adjusted from online to live, my preflop raising range/aggression (and 3ball range) and has steadily dropped. Basically, live players make big mistakes both preflop and postflop, but their postflop mistakes are for a LOT more chips so I want to be in more of those spots with them.

Caution, though, to other players reading this comment: this does not mean there is a formula here where you can always overlimp or overcall with a static range and print money. There is no formulaic way to play full ring deep stacked NLHE. If you're searching for a formula, then you don't understand poker and you're asking the wrong questions. You're going to have to think and adjust to exploit what your table mates are doing.
Ya, exactly. It's not as if you can just have a blackjack type cheater card in your palm telling you what to do with your two cards + position (although not a bad default, I guess).

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01-06-2014 , 01:34 PM
regarding general limping/raising strategies:

I KNOW GG isn't trying to set up a starting hand chart, but that may be how it comes off to some lurkers. It's very important to incorporate table dynamics into your decision making. What might be a good limping hand one day is an absolute raise on another, and maybe even a fold the next day.

I've found good success being a bull in a china shop with a lot of my borderline hands when there's really loose short stackers at the table who are willing to stack off with one over to say 99. It's MUCH higher variance, but consistently +EV. I don't know if it's better than the more passive strategy of hit and profit. I've toned it way down in the last year, but recently returned to my ruthless donk punishing ways. I guess it just depends on table conditions.
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