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A classic: overpair on scary board at 1/2. A classic: overpair on scary board at 1/2.

05-14-2013 , 12:26 AM
This is played at 1/2 table in Cleveland on a Saturday night at around 10pm.

Villian in this hand is someone who sort of knows what he is doing. Middle aged Russian dude, who is a local, but I've never seem him play before. I saw him make a sick sick hero call vs someone that I pegged as a nit (after an hour at the table) who triple barreled into him and he called down with top pair weak kicker. Kinda have a regfish/calling station read on him. Haven't seen him been aggressive. Been on a hot streak and is sitting with $500.

Hero: Young guy, talkative, cracking jokes, dealers are greeting him by name. Been on a bit of a cold streak was down almost $300 from a bunch of small pots and has slightly rebuilt his stack. Sitting $350 deep. In the CO. TAGgy.

Villian straddles for $5. Two limpers. Hero looks down at JJ and reraises it to $21. Villian and one limper call.

Pot ($65)
953

Beautiful. Beautiful stuff. Villain checks. Hero bets $40 for value. Villain calls, limper folds.

Pot($145)
Turn is a 4
Ok, cool. Still not a bad card for me. Villains range is all Ax hands, and hands that contain top pair, and sets. He definitely has some piece of the board. I am not gonna pot control here because there are a lot of obnoxious cards that could come off on the river and villain will definitely call with worse. I bet $90. Villain thinks for a bit and calls. I am 100% ok with this as I expect him to c/c my river bet and look me up light.

River($325)
River is a 2 Throw up in my mouth. All his Ax got there. I pray for a check and will still value bet the river if he does. Villain thinks and slides out $150. Dammit.

Hero does???
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05-14-2013 , 12:30 AM
Swallows the puke and folds. Gross, but don't make his bad call right by giving him IOs to make up for his lake of DOs.
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05-14-2013 , 01:29 AM
Fold. I'm all for value betting super thin but I also think betting here is way too thin. Any player halfway competent will put ax in your range often and won't call with worse
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05-14-2013 , 01:54 AM
Puke fold
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05-14-2013 , 02:01 AM
hands played well. i'd fold.

just so uncommon for him to turn weaker made hands into a bluff or value bet worse.
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05-14-2013 , 02:39 AM
U are absolutely beat here. Unless the villain is playing blindfolded or he is shortsighted, tt is an easy snap fold.
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05-14-2013 , 03:07 AM
This hand is well played. I agree with your reasoning throughout.

Fold though.
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05-14-2013 , 09:37 AM
Hey guys, thanks for all the replies. I usually am pretty even keeled but this fold just made me sick.

I folded and asked the guy what he had. It was pretty crazy.
Spoiler:
He showed J9o.


I ended up getting bluffed an other smaller pot too (folded TPTK to a turn raise and a river checkraise) and realized my image was far to bad to get work done (and I was just a smidge (honestly) tilty) and left the table. It was a rough session, but it's good to know I made the right decisions and could get up and leave when it was no longer profitable.
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05-14-2013 , 09:52 AM
Grunch.
Looks like you lose only to A9s. I'd probably call. Really can't see any other random aces in his range OOP after the turn. Sometimes A5hh. Sometimes AT+hh but I usually can't give credit to reverse floats.
Looks like a blocker bet to me. Call and feel sightly uneasy with it but getting 3:1.

Edit: just saw results... makes sense. Would have expected suited at least ^^.
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05-14-2013 , 09:56 AM
fold
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05-14-2013 , 10:04 AM
Folding, but.....


Mistake preflop. Two limpers to a $5 straddle and you make it how much? You make it even $10 more preflop and you gotta different hand. A smaller point is that i would have made it $45 on the flop, but whatevs. Sizing mistake preflop IMO.
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05-14-2013 , 10:56 AM
Puke and fold now.
Why building a big pot on just one pair?

You played this hand very bad. Yes you have to protect your hand but at the same time you got to not let the pot get out of control. Among other things, poker is a game of balancing conflicting objectives. You do need to deny a free card to drawing hands; you also need to make sure that the pot doesn't get out of control for the strength of hand you actually have. When those two goals conflict, you'll have to give precedence to one or the other. Which takes precedence? Just ask yourself which error is most likely to hurt you. If you overbet the hand, you're guaranteed to be building a pot that's too big for your relatively modest hand.

Proceed with extreme caution when somebody else overbets or overcommits and you have a good hand. He can't have that straight, can he? Could he have called my preflop raise with 10-7 offsuit? Answer: if the pot is X, and the opponent commits 10X, then yes, he can have it, and he does. Or if he doesn't, well fine. Take the X. Stop worrying about the draws and be glad to check the turn. By playing the hand slower, you can in effect remove a betting round and keep the pot under control.

Now, fold, lose some money, re load, cry a little and learn ...,

AK (..I'd rather have 76s on the button than AA UTG..) how about that?

Last edited by Octavian; 05-14-2013 at 11:16 AM.
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05-14-2013 , 11:03 AM
That's awful. Just dreadful. He'll call with worse. He'll raise with better. There are tons of cards that we can't let him see for free. You backwards yo.
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05-14-2013 , 12:52 PM
Skimmed the responses.

This is not a puke fold. It's a sigh fold people. Either V is a button clicking drooler and snagged a pair with his straddle defense and is betting the river but has no idea why he is doing it OR you are behind something as slim as 2pr or otherwise crushed. Either way, it's a fold.

As played, raise PF more. There's $18 in the pot before your $5. Your raise is quite small IMO.

Flop is fine.

Turn is fine.

River should be a fold.

Last edited by hfrog355; 05-14-2013 at 12:52 PM. Reason: results?
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05-14-2013 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Octavian
Why building a big pot on just one pair?
Because villain has proved that he will call down very light in triple barrel spots that he thinks the opponent is bluffing. His range isn't strong at all until the river. He's a calling station who makes hero calls, you HAVE to take him to value town until he shows up with aggression.
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05-14-2013 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Raidion
Hey guys, thanks for all the replies. I usually am pretty even keeled but this fold just made me sick.

I folded and asked the guy what he had. It was pretty crazy.
Spoiler:
He showed J9o.


I ended up getting bluffed an other smaller pot too (folded TPTK to a turn raise and a river checkraise) and realized my image was far to bad to get work done (and I was just a smidge (honestly) tilty) and left the table. It was a rough session, but it's good to know I made the right decisions and could get up and leave when it was no longer profitable.
Keep in mind his bet here is always either a bluff or a straight, he's never betting here with a set. He knows his top pair is no good and bet as a bluff.
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05-14-2013 , 02:12 PM
hard to really put him on much besides the straight given his image. pretty optimistic by the villain at any rate calling twice apparently knowing his top pair was beat hoping to steal it on the end.
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