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01-23-2015 , 04:23 PM
2/5 FR $1000 cap

Hero: neutral image, been at the table for about 2 orbits and haven't really played a hand yet, $1005

Villain; mid aged Asian, seems like the gambling type with ATC, has a hard time folding OP's, players have tried bluffing him but he's been very stationary, will only raise premiums and big pairs from up front and later positions, plays draws passively.
Called a raise OTB with 56s and then bet $200~~$100 when flopped a flush.
He is winning tho, $1800

Table has been limp/calling a lot, raises haven't been more than $25 pre.

OTTH

Hero limps UTG with 44
Villain raises to $25 UTG1
Folds around hero calls
Pot $50

Flop
943dhh
Hero checks, villain bets $25, hero c/r to $65, villain snap makes it $150.
Hero tank 4/bets to $380, villain calls.

Pot $810

Turn Jx

Hero has $600 left.

I think I had a brain fart with my sizing OTF and not thinking through later streets, so now I have a weird stack size.
What options are best vs described villain
1) ship?
2) $300 and ship River?

Might be a str8 ahead spot but I need your help.

Thoughts?

Last edited by Letmewin1; 01-23-2015 at 04:28 PM.
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01-23-2015 , 04:29 PM
I think your check raise should have been larger but it seemed to have worked lol. I'd just bet $300. I can't imagine he is folding for last $300 on the river even if flush comes in.
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01-23-2015 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker
I think your check raise should have been larger but it seemed to have worked lol. I'd just bet $300. I can't imagine he is folding for last $300 on the river even if flush comes in.
+1
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01-23-2015 , 06:33 PM
I think the hand will play straightforward from there. You can go allin and villan will call you.
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01-23-2015 , 06:35 PM
What's the question? Pot 810 you have 600 and a set, you have the betting lead, you go allin
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01-23-2015 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker
I think your check raise should have been larger but it seemed to have worked lol. I'd just bet $300. I can't imagine he is folding for last $300 on the river even if flush comes in.
You don't shove 600 into 800?
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01-23-2015 , 07:14 PM
Yeah I just ship it and expect Villain to hum and haw and call with QQ-AA
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01-23-2015 , 07:42 PM
Grunch.

What do you mean you have a weird stack? Ship it for the 3/4PSB you got left. Definitely don't bet $300... are you trying to let a flush draw get there?
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01-23-2015 , 07:45 PM
The J shouldn't have helped him, I don't expect he'd be that aggressive on the flop w JJ. Based on your description, he should have zero draws in his range since he plays those passively. I don't want to scare him off by leading a 3/4 pot size bet after calling a huge raise on the flop. I don't want to check because if he checks behind and a flush card comes, he may find a fold. So, I'd bet $300 and hope he raised. If not, the last $300 on the river and he should be never folding by the time we get to that point. I feel like he's calling 90+% w his overpairs if we play this way and significantly less if we lead out for $600 on the turn. JMHO.
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01-23-2015 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaNEWPr0fess0r
Grunch.

What do you mean you have a weird stack? Ship it for the 3/4PSB you got left. Definitely don't bet $300... are you trying to let a flush draw get there?
I would agree if V's description didn't specifically say that he plays draws passively. Doesn't that make V's range 99 and overpairs here?
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01-23-2015 , 07:52 PM
Shove AINEC. Betting 300 into 800 gives V an immediate 3.75:1 for any flush draw (even though I don't think he has one). Given our line OTF, we prob aren't folding to a shove if a flush comes in OTR, so V is going to getting better than 4.5:1 assuming your 300 is going into the middle OTR if his flush comes in...enough to call your 300 OTT if he IS on FD.
So just get it in now...if he has top set, cooler.
Shoving here all day every day
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01-23-2015 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by eyurus
I would agree if V's description didn't specifically say that he plays draws passively. Doesn't that make V's range 99 and overpairs here?
Sorry, I missed the part where it said that. All I saw was Asian lol. Either way, shove IMO.
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01-23-2015 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Hendricks433
You don't shove 600 into 800?

No, not if we have ruled out drawing hands from his range. I'd probably bet $350 on turn. It looks a lot weaker. Villains often don't consider future streets. If we shove villain can potentially get off the hook because now we are telling the story that we don't have a flush draw. It's unlikely that this particular villain folds but still think it's better to string him along.
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01-23-2015 , 07:59 PM
It's all good, I would agree 90% of the time I would play it that way, I just disagree because of V's description. I just think leading 3/4 pot after he 4-bet flop is so strong that even sticky V's are going to strongly consider folding an OP, which would be a disaster for us.
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01-23-2015 , 08:06 PM
TBH, I don't really think there is any way to not look strong after 4betting the flop... To a thinking player, $350 probably looks stronger.
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01-23-2015 , 08:10 PM
I wouldn't make it $350 vs thinking player lol
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01-23-2015 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker
I wouldn't make it $350 vs thinking player lol
Yea this isn't a thinking player.
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01-23-2015 , 09:19 PM
What if we use diff sizing vs this particular villain

Flop
He 3! To $150 if we click it to $250 he calls
Pot
$550
Turn we lead $300 he calls
Pot $1150
And we have $450ish then we can ship River.
Wouldn't this sizing be more effective in getting my stack by the river and pretty much guarantee getting called?

Thoughts?

Ps
To those advocating getting in now because there's a flush draw out, I wasn't worried about that since I've seen him play draws ultra passive and he shouldn't have any AP.
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01-23-2015 , 09:41 PM
I think any sizing after that flop action is more or less perceived as strong line, but I wont size it on the smaller side because he might just call and give up river. I will just shove here, if he has OP and called our 4bet OTF he is aint folding here..

too bad he has JJ. nh
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