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Old 10-05-2018, 05:06 AM   #1
larrytao
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Was checking back the turn a mistake?

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HJ opened to 10 (stack:500) - he is more of a good reg - almost a semi pro in my eyes
I (stack:550) called withA J
BB (stack: 700) called
Pot: 31

Flop:A39
Checked to me - I bet 18 for value and got called in two spots
Pot: 85

Turn: 6
Checked to me - I decided to check back and value her the river on most cards if checked to me again - thoughts?? Is this a mistake?

River: K
BB checked and HJ overbet 100
Not saying he cannot have a value hand like a set but most of the time I feel the checking back the turn really caps my range and he can easily be taking advantage of that

2 questions - would you check back the turn?
As played, is this river ever a call?
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Old 10-05-2018, 06:17 AM   #2
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Re: Was checking back the turn a mistake?

Your real question should be whether you should have 3bet pf. If you think the HJ is opening an appropriate amount, the 3 bet should take the pot down enough to be a +EV move.

I would have checked back the flop. The board is pretty dry and if someone doesn't have TP, they aren't going to call. You're behind AK, AQ, A9 and A3. There's no reason to be worried about a free card. Clearly the HJ wasn't.

FWIW, the king is a blank for you. If HJ had AK, you were already behind.
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Old 10-05-2018, 07:22 AM   #3
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Re: Was checking back the turn a mistake?

Looks fine to me. Checking turn with one decent pair is normal when your multiway. River is a pretty easy fold against most opponents.

Turn check does cap your range a bit but is villain really likely to show up with a bluff? He raised preflop but decided not to bet flop. Then you bet and got called. It would be a very weird line for him to be bluffing. If villain is the sort to flop flop with air and try to take the hand away later then you might need to call sometimes.
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Old 10-05-2018, 11:53 AM   #4
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Re: Was checking back the turn a mistake?

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Your real question should be whether you should have 3bet pf. If you think the HJ is opening an appropriate amount, the 3 bet should take the pot down enough to be a +EV move.
+1 to this.

I'd 3bet to $35 preflop.

As played, flop and turn are both standard. I think that we should be double barreling AQ+ on the turn and checking back the turn with AJ/AT with the intention of firing a river bet if it checks to us twice. So you played these streets well.

River is an easy fold. There are no natural bluffs here that HJ can have. He's going to have exactly KK here like 50% of the time and he's going to have another random 2pr/set hand the other 50% of the time.

Like in order for the HJ to show up with a bluff here, he would've had to have x/called the flop with air, which makes no sense for 2 reasons:
1) Why wouldn't he simply bluff Cbet instead?
2) Why would he possibly want to float with air after 2 people have already expressed interest in the pot?
Then after doing that, he would've had to have said "okay, now I'm going to try to bluff someone off top pair", which is stupid because no one ever folds top pair at 1/2, so why would he even want to attempt that?

Either that, or he would've had a pair like QQ which he decides on the river "you know what? F**k showdown value, I'm just going to turn this hand into a bluff and try to get someone off top pair" which also makes no sense.

There's just no logical way that he's bluffing here and it doesn't make sense for him to ever value bet a hand worse than AJ here, so it's an easy fold imo.
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