The Stake is 2/5. I've only seen maybe 10-12 hands at this point. I'm quite new to these forums so forgive formatting errors.

SB (Hero) : 116 bb. Fairly new to the table, only played one hand that did not go to showdown (taken down on the flop).
MP : 80 bb. No information
BTN : 190 bb . Have seen this player call down with draws twice when not given the correct pot odds. This player has been playing roughly 40% of his hands. Seems loose and passive.

Hero is dealt 66.

Preflop:
MP raises to 5 bb
BTN calls
SB calls

Pot ~16 bb

Flop : 345

SB checks.
MP bets 12 bb.
BTN calls.
SB calls.

Pot 52 bb.

- I decide to call the flop for a few reasons. 1) MP's range for a preflop raise (most of the time) and a corresponding C-bet is mostly 77+ and JT+. In the case of JTs+, I'm behind (equity wise) , along with some of my straight outs being tainted. 2) BTN is observed to be loose, calling with many pair+draws. JTs+, A2 - A5, or 77+. 12 bb to win 40. Looks like a pot odds call to me. 10 outs makes ~40% equity (but in the case that my heart outs are dead I have about 28%). There are many decent turn cards as well.


Turn: 8

SB checks.
MP bets 24 bb
BTN calls
SB shoves.

- MP's range now seems to be skewed mostly towards 77+ and JTs+.
- BTN range has not changed much. I would now skew him slightly more towards 77+ and JTs+.

My logic for shoving here is probably flawed. I just want to know why. I decide to shove, thinking that MP would likely fold most of his range. I also concluded that a ~100bb shove has massive fold equity, given the extreme strength that I'm representing, MP will probably fold 77 and 99+. However, I am semi concerned about the BTN. He would play sets and 2 pair this way given his passive nature. He has already shown that he doesn't like to fold in previous hands. I am taking a risk in only getting called by better and folding out worse. He would fold his A3/4/5 and heart draws, and call with sets, 2 pair, 77+, (and the rare) A2. I have straight outs if he calls (although it is only ~16%). Thinking about it now, I don't remember how I justified it to myself. Any input is appreciated!

It sounds like you're transitioning from online to live. Live players don't fold (or think) as much as online players. Just because you think you're representing strength doesn't mean villains will see you as strong. They always think you're bluffing.

Without a read, I would expect MP to stack off with 99+. Overpairs are the nuts. Also, isn't he looking at calling ~40 BBs into a ~100 BB pot? He's not folding an overpair on that board with that little left behind.

I bet you have a lot less FE with the button than you think. You've already said that he calls on draws without the right odds, so he's probably a calling station.

You can fold for 3 straight hours, then play the nuts very aggressively and you'll get paid more than you think you would.

Trying to get Vs to lay down hands that you think they should fold will give you a headache. Bluff A LOT less live than online. Make hand. Value bet. Repeat.

+1

In my experience, if our V's have any piece of the board or any draw they will call, because they like to gambol. Villains do not like to fold at live. Don't try to bluff them very often is my advice. I would be just trying to get to showdown with this kind of hand.

Also, put your posts in cash rather then BB.

Pre and post flop are fine. Check-raise the turn is a mistake. MP has bet/raised 3 times and Btn has called 3 times. They're clearly interested in the hand. After your shove, MP has 40BB to call a pot of 140BB. There is a 0% chance he's folding.

With 0 fold equity, we should view this as a pure implied odds play. We have 6 clean outs, needing 6.5-to-1. Our explicit odds are about 4-to-1. Not enough to justify a call. Do we get paid if we hit? Probably MP pays, but I think Btn is on a draw (probably flush) and won't pay. Adding MP's remaining 40BB to our implied odds are at about 5-to-1. I don't think we have enough to justify calling.

Watch the short stacks. They are looking for an excuse to gii.

What are you representing with a shove?

Not a straight on turn since you would have had it on flop and didn't raise it then.

Trip 8s??? If so, you shouldn't shove with it.

No other trips on flop...

If you had two pair, with someone doing the betting for you, you wouldn't raise.

So I think your shove is weak with that Turn card and villan betting will most likely call unless they are betting a flush draw (bad...).