1/2 Bar Game, hero has been running well the entire night and winning pots. Villian is a decent friend of mine really solid game probably has an edge over me.

Hero (~400) SB: Qh Jh
V (~240) utg +2 raises to 10, CO calls, I call.

Im talking to my buddy talking all the normal i got the perfect suck out hand jargon and check dark (i know how bad of a play this is)

Flop (32) : Kh 7h 4c

V bets 15, CO folds, I call.

T: 10s

I check (because my friend is hyper aggro and im expecting him to barrel but okay if he checks behind) V bets 50. I shove. V tank folds.

Input on my c/r all in and the overall line i took. Thank you guys

Doesn't sound like he's a friend if you're pulling this move.

Also, I don't like the c/overbet shove.

You're missing the 3 things you look for when deciding to play a hand: positional edge, card strength edge, and a skill edge. You're OOP with a worse hand against a more skilled opponent. Fold pre.

Turn is a good spot for a semi-bluff if you've got a good image. It's hard for him to call with anything other than a set or KT. As long as you think he's almost always laying down AA and AK to this shove, I think it's fine.

At a table of unknowns I hate the CRAI line. However, it's villain-dependent and it seems you are confident he can fold TP. His turn bet-sizing is value-oriented so like Jesse said, if you think he will lay-down one-pair hands I think this is a good line.

Generally though, attempting to get $1/2 players to lay down top pair is folly. You're better off taking a passive approach and try to bink.

Love it. Looks like you are super strong here IMO. Nice hand

I think $15 into a $32 pot on the flop [by a hyper-aggro player] is kinda' low. I would think he'd bet ~$22.

On the turn, I think it became evident V probably had AK/KQ/KJ and bought into you having KT. You're getting 112/50 or 2.24:1 pot odds on a call [not taking into account whatever the rake is], with 14/15 outs depending on whether he has an ace.

If you're up against AK/KQ you have 32.3% equity, or, 2.09:1 odds against, which gives you a $$ overlay on a call. You throw that away when you go all-in, however, as said by others, it's player dependent & you obviously had a good bit of fold equity there.

Finally, since he was willing to fold, he probably wasn't willing to pay off much of anything if another came. So, you needed an offsuit A or 9 for any reasonable amount of IO & with the A - only if he has AK.

You called a raise OOP against a good player with a hand that's crushed by his range, and then checked dark? What did money ever do to you to make you hate it so much?

As played, the turn crai is fine if you have a decent amount of fold equity. If your friend sees you as a spazzy lunatic, or if he's incapable of laying down TPTK in this spot, then it's much better to call & pray.

Rofl. pleasr dont listen to this post.

Well played. Love the check-raise semi-bluff.

that´s a very bad mindset
you are NOT targeting those specific hands at all with a c/r, you are targeting weak pairs and Ahigh which double barrell and make up for a great result if they are folding, you also balance your turn c/r range if you slowplay some nutty made hands otf sometimes, but you are not trying to get folds from AK/AA.

Pretty blatant trolling that adds nothing to the thread

You don't need a massive overbet shove to get A-high to fold. A min c/r would accomplish that.

Slowplaying is a bad mindset. I can't imagine anyone at LLSNL incorporating the concept of balancing slowplaying ranges. Balancing ranges and slowplaying are not big parts of beating a 1/2 game.

Given the EP pre-flop raise and the good value bet sizing on the flop and turn from V, you should not be making this play if you don't intend to fold out strong one pair hands like AA and AK given that those hands make up a good part of Vs range.

If V is going to call with strong one pair hands, this play is suicide. If you're not trying to get V to lay down a strong hand, then don't make this play.

2 nights ago I arrive at the poker room about 2am. I get seat 10 next to seat 9 who has about 1.1k in a 1/2 game. Doesn't talk much, pretty serious dude. Late 40s in very good shape. He could easily pass for a deputy sheriff or state trooper/BCI dude. Watched damn never every hand he wasn't in. Only time he got out of his seat was to stretch or go2 bathroom.

Seat 2 straddles to 5, gets 3 callers & seat 8 makes it $15 to go. Seat 9 [I'll call him H] flats. 3 others flat.
H calls down to river and then takes over control. He had turned a set of Q's.

Got to talk to him b4 he left the table about 1.5 hrs later. He'd been there 15 hrs, taking only a 45 dinner break.

Player in seat 2 had been there when H got there & said H bought in for $200. He left with ~1.5k sometimes playing aggressive, sometimes slowplaying. Often times looking for a c/r opportunity.

And no, I am not making this up.

I guess you run into all kinds of players.

Balancing slowplaying ranges is definitely absurd in most 1/2 games, but it sounds like these two players have enough history and V is enough of a thinking player where it could hurt OP to be clearly unbalanced. If we're usually getting folds with a c/c, c/r line, we should be adding some hands like this to our c/c, c/r range.

As to what parts of V's range the turn c/r is targeting... do we even know what V's range IS? If he'll double barrel Ax on this runout, then this is an obvious slam dunk c/r. If his range is TPGK+ and he's capable of folding a king here, then it's also an obvious slam dunk c/r. We just don't want to take this line against a guy who's only double barreling for value (or protection?) and can't fold top pair.

Fold pre posts are inappropriate in this situation, there is nothing wrong with playing your hand. I like the check/shove on the turn, well played.

To the people saying the c/s is an overbet, please define overbet. Have you seen the actual stacksizes? Villain's in particular...

I don't know that it's an over-bet. I do see V has bet $75 so far, leaving him with $165. I see $162 in pot b4 H goes all in, so V would be calling $165 to win $327 b4 the rake. $5 rake & $1 bb leaves $321.00

321/165 = 1.95:1 money odds for V's call. V is putting in 33.95% of the money that will be in the pot.

Since H will shove with the hand he has, he'll shove with other stuff as well. Since the 2 are friends, V should know this.

H says: "Villian is a decent friend of mine really solid game probably has an edge over me." H also says V is "hyper-aggro"

So, in this instance, V bet $50 on the turn with a weaker hand that he'd play the same way in order to trap H.

I can see [I may be wrong] V playing 44, 77+, AKo/s, KQs/o, KJs, KTs, QJs, JTs, 98s, 65s the way he played the hand. That range for V gives QJ 38.7% equity.

Let's say V never folds:
sets: 12 hands
2 pr: KT 9 hands
97 & 65 2 hands
For a total of 23 hands.

[I dropped AA out of the equation for V's holdings]

AK is 12 hands [h]; KQ 9[h] KJs 3[h] QJs 3[h] JTs 3[h] 98s 3[h] 65s [3] for a total of 36 hands.

So, 23/59 = 38.98% of the time, V calls.

Therefore, H wins with a fold: $112 -rake/bb = $106 * .6102 = $64.68

When V calls 38.98%, H has 35.9% equity & wins $106 + $165 = $271 * .359 = [$97.29 * .3898] + $64.68 = $102.60 +EV

H loses the $215 he put in the pot on the turn, the 38.98% of the time V calls & wins 64.1% of the time. [$215 * .641] * .3898 = $53.72 -EV.

So, if my ranges are right, as well as my math, H has a Net +EV $48.88.

Villain bets 50 into 64 on the turn, so raising pot would be 50+(64+50+50)=214. Effective stacks on the turn are 240-10-15=215. So, yes, this is an overbet .

I don't get it V started with 240-10-15-50 bet on turn leaves him with $165.00.
After V's $50 bet on the turn there is $114 in the pot, less the rake. So, I'll say $108.00. H raises, puts in the $50 to bring it to $158.00 & then raises $165 on top, which is more than what's in the pot after H puts in his $50.
Now I get it...

last bet x 3 + amount of money in the pot= pot size raise
50x3 +62
easy way to calculate pot