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Old 02-13-2019, 12:29 PM   #1
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A A check my line 1/2

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Hero has $1200 V1 does not know hero.

V1: Asian guy 30s has just sat down on the table and is unknown to hero. Stack around $1000

V2: passive player has $120

V1 limps in EP, V2 raises to $6, 3 other shortstack call and Hero on BB has AcAs and raises to $40. I could go bigger here but I assumed that V1 who limped will fold and other villains are shortstacked.

V1 calls, V2 calls and others fold.

Flop is Kh 5h 4d. ($139)

Hero bets $70, V1 calls and V2 goes allin for $80, Hero calls and V1 calls.

Turn is 7c. ($379)

Hero bets $215 and V1 tank calls.

River is 9d ($809)

Hero bets $325 to get value from KQ or KJ possibly AK as well.
and V1 shoves for around $680 and I fold.

How would you guys play it? I posted the results in spoiler.
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:48 PM   #2
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Re: A A check my line 1/2

I like your 3b sizing pre, a little larger is okay as well

OTF... we do not have the Ah so i think we should want to bet a little bit more for protection...betting between 100-120

the main issue here is that we are going for 3 streets of value with a 1P hand, i don't think he's calling 3 streets with a K.. too optimistic

so i like the bet OTT but i think we should check the river
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:21 PM   #3
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Re: A A check my line 1/2

This deep you can try out creative lines but I think two streets of betting with a check down on the river is the standard smart way to play it.

Going for value on the river here is a pretty big leak imo without a specific read.
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:39 PM   #4
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Re: A A check my line 1/2

So if I check river do I fold to a jam and call a 1/2 pot bet? Or do I fold to every bet?
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:44 PM   #5
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Re: A A check my line 1/2

I would go bigger on the flop and a little bigger on the turn. I might check/call if I think he'll take a stab. I'm definitely not betting planning to fold. It's a check/call for a reasonable bet or a bet/call.

(Now for the spoiler.)
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:06 PM   #6
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Re: A A check my line 1/2

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So if I check river do I fold to a jam and call a 1/2 pot bet? Or do I fold to every bet?
It is an interesting spot, but against this villain I think folding to a jam in this spot all of the time. This is majorly exploitable but in a live 1/2 super deep spot without any reason to suspect non-standard play from the villain you need to give up.

The 1/2 pot bet sizing is where it starts to get tough. There weren't many obvious draws for him to chase so it's tough to find many missed draw bluff river bets here. Strongs K's are still weakish value here and I just don't see him holding that type of hand. Sets and straight draws dominate the range here so I would also error on the side of being somewhat nitty when facing a river bet of any significance.
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:17 PM   #7
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Re: A A check my line 1/2

Don't believe this hand history is 100% accurate
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Old 02-13-2019, 11:23 PM   #8
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Re: A A check my line 1/2

quite the hand you got there,

I will post my comments first before reading spoiler or other comments,

pre

I cant believe your getting callers for a $40 3bet pre,your 3b is x6.6 times
bigger the original raise, I like it,

flop is fine, maybe a tad bigger but I like it,

turn

Turn is a bit sticky, I can get behind a bet line,
but im typically bet-folding to any real aggression, especially
against an unknown, as you face tougher opponents they will be
able to exploit your range by raising dangerous/ connecting turns and barreling rivers which puts you in tough spots, another option could be to check the turn and see how V1 proceeds,

may make for a less variance spot,

river
as played I would likely fold, your showing great strength on the river by continuing to barrel
and he basically min raises you which looks like a super strong line such as 2p+ , the board is not too great for you and I think I like a check call better on this river,

I would only go for 3 streets vs ABC old man calling stations etc,,,or atleast against opponents
who play face up and are not capable of large semibluffs etc,,
anyhow will look to see results and other comments shortly
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Old 02-14-2019, 04:49 PM   #9
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Re: A A check my line 1/2

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I like your 3b sizing pre, a little larger is okay as well

OTF... we do not have the Ah so i think we should want to bet a little bit more for protection...betting between 100-120

the main issue here is that we are going for 3 streets of value with a 1P hand, i don't think he's calling 3 streets with a K.. too optimistic

so i like the bet OTT but i think we should check the river
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:29 PM   #10
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Re: A A check my line 1/2

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1/2 Live
Hero has $1200 V1 does not know hero.

V1: Asian guy 30s has just sat down on the table and is unknown to hero. Stack around $1000

V2: passive player has $120

V1 limps in EP, V2 raises to $6, 3 other shortstack call and Hero on BB has AcAs and raises to $40. I could go bigger here but I assumed that V1 who limped will fold and other villains are shortstacked.

V1 calls, V2 calls and others fold.

Flop is Kh 5h 4d. ($139)

Hero bets $70, V1 calls and V2 goes allin for $80, Hero calls and V1 calls.

Turn is 7c. ($379)

Hero bets $215 and V1 tank calls.

River is 9d ($809)

Hero bets $325 to get value from KQ or KJ possibly AK as well.
and V1 shoves for around $680 and I fold.

How would you guys play it? I posted the results in spoiler.
Spoiler:
Preflop is fine. You're expecting to just be playing for V2's $120 if you're getting any action at all. Surprisingly, dude who didn't find it fit to raise himself is willing to call off 19 more bb. So our read should be that he's either trapping himself (and we should be doing jumping jacks for joy), or he's a major league fish. I'd lean towards latter.

River, as others mentioned, might be too thin. Even a dumb fish will understand you aren't bluffing at a nonexistent side pot, so your turn barrel range is strong. This might be our worst hand in that range.

I'd probably check turn FWIW because of the all in.
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Old 02-14-2019, 06:30 PM   #11
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Re: A A check my line 1/2

Preflop
I like the preflop size. I think that people start tightening up when absolute sizes get larger, rather than sizes relative to the pot, so I think that bumping it up to $50 or $60 will lead to your opponents folding out more stuff.

Flop
I would go bigger here on the flop bet. Kings would be willing to call more, and betting half pot gives flush draws odds to call. They're not making a mistake by calling with flush draws here, especially when you're so deep stacked. You make money by making your opponents make mistakes.

When V2 goes all in, I actually would prefer a reraise here. It's another opportunity to get value from V2's kings and flush draws. If it's worth going for value OTF, why wouldn't it be worth going for value again here?

Turn
I'd go bigger to around $300, looking to get extra value from kings and flush draws. Maybe even bigger to $340 or something. V1 seems really fishy and inelastic given that he limped and then flatted a 3bet preflop. And given the flush draws and deep stacks, Villain should be reraising sets OTF, so I think we can discount those somewhat, although not completely, given that $1-2 players like to slow play.

River
I'd shove that river looking to get value from kings. Against a better opponent it's a little more complicated because you can't expect to win 500bb from TPWK, but against this guy it seems very plausible.

Also, consider a little bit of math. Say you bet double, $650 instead of $325. If Villain is calling $650 51% of the time that he's calling $325, $650 is better. I would expect Villain to be pretty inelastic and call each size approximately the same amount with his kinds (and fold his busted draws), so I like a shove here. Even if the shove forces a few combos like KT to fold, it's still better EV if AK, KQ and KJ are calling.

The board may look somewhat scary because 9754 is pretty connected, but given how the hand played out, it actually shouldn't be that scary. Something like 86 or 75 really shouldn't be in here for 500bb. It should be mostly kings, flush draws, and of course nut stuff that slow played.

Once Villain shoves, I think you have to call. The pot odds are great, and it could be AK or KQ reasoning that "it's just a little bit more, might as well".

(Just saw the spoiler. Jesus Christ. Please hit me up next time you see this man in a casino.)
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Old 02-14-2019, 07:03 PM   #12
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Re: A A check my line 1/2

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Preflop

(Just saw the spoiler. Jesus Christ. Please hit me up next time you see this man in a casino.)
Just walk into your room. Spot an Asian guy. At least 50-50 he plays the same.
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:29 PM   #13
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Re: A A check my line 1/2

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Preflop
I like the preflop size. I think that people start tightening up when absolute sizes get larger, rather than sizes relative to the pot, so I think that bumping it up to $50 or $60 will lead to your opponents folding out more stuff.

Flop
I would go bigger here on the flop bet. Kings would be willing to call more, and betting half pot gives flush draws odds to call. They're not making a mistake by calling with flush draws here, especially when you're so deep stacked. You make money by making your opponents make mistakes.

When V2 goes all in, I actually would prefer a reraise here. It's another opportunity to get value from V2's kings and flush draws. If it's worth going for value OTF, why wouldn't it be worth going for value again here?

Turn
I'd go bigger to around $300, looking to get extra value from kings and flush draws. Maybe even bigger to $340 or something. V1 seems really fishy and inelastic given that he limped and then flatted a 3bet preflop. And given the flush draws and deep stacks, Villain should be reraising sets OTF, so I think we can discount those somewhat, although not completely, given that $1-2 players like to slow play.

River
I'd shove that river looking to get value from kings. Against a better opponent it's a little more complicated because you can't expect to win 500bb from TPWK, but against this guy it seems very plausible.

Also, consider a little bit of math. Say you bet double, $650 instead of $325. If Villain is calling $650 51% of the time that he's calling $325, $650 is better. I would expect Villain to be pretty inelastic and call each size approximately the same amount with his kinds (and fold his busted draws), so I like a shove here. Even if the shove forces a few combos like KT to fold, it's still better EV if AK, KQ and KJ are calling.

The board may look somewhat scary because 9754 is pretty connected, but given how the hand played out, it actually shouldn't be that scary. Something like 86 or 75 really shouldn't be in here for 500bb. It should be mostly kings, flush draws, and of course nut stuff that slow played.

Once Villain shoves, I think you have to call. The pot odds are great, and it could be AK or KQ reasoning that "it's just a little bit more, might as well".

(Just saw the spoiler. Jesus Christ. Please hit me up next time you see this man in a casino.)
OTF i cant reraise because when the shortstack shoves is an underraise. Otherwise I would definetely reraise. I aggree about betting bigger OTF but because we were super deep I didnt want to inflate the pot OOP.
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:50 PM   #14
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Re: A A check my line 1/2

Ah, I didn't realize that reraising wasn't an option.
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